Nice exchange...
--- Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Note, the chat was while I was in the ashram, I
> started chating with Tomas, who is an ex
> purusha and worked in Maharsihis house for the last
> 13 years. Swami G took over and
> chated directly with him:
>
>
> Tomas:
>
> It is good to not have to many rules to follow
>
> Ron:
> the point is the grace comes from within, and
> therefore if one surrenders , then they do
> what needs to be done
>
> ...
> Swami G just said that unfortunatly rules are
> usually in place for those who dont follow the
> rules
>
> ...
> Swami G knows I am here chating with you
>
> Tomas
> Good greetings from me to her
>
> from the fallen monk
>
> Ron:
> Swami G said if you have questions, you can ask
> directly
>
> Tomas:
>
> I just talk to Yoram and he read what you wrote so
> he likes the thing, will talk more with
> him later
>
> Ron :
> swami G just asked about the comment you just made-
> Fallen from what?
>
> Tomas
> Joking - a ex monk
>
> tired of celibacy and all the rules
>
> Ron:
>
> Swami G asks ( as she is laughing) - what sort of
> identy is that?
>
> Swami G:
>
> Nasmaste and Om
>
> Tomas:
>
> Om Namaste
>
> Swami G:
>
> So you are tired of celibacy and what rules ?
>
> Tomas:
>
> You now all the things we learned on purusha
>
> Swami G:
>
> What is wrong with celebacy ?
>
> and what did you learn ?
>
> This is Swami-G
>
> Tomas:
>
> Ok
>
> Swami G:
>
> and ? what was learned ?
>
> Tomas:
>
> I do not know what I learned
>
> Swami G:
>
> then how can you rebel against it ?
>
> Tomas:
>
> But my desire to be a monk disappeared after 19
> years as one
>
> Swami G:
>
> what changed ?
>
> Tomas:
>
> rebeled against it
>
> Swami G:
>
> and why the rebelion ?
>
> Tomas:
>
> I did something I do not want to do any more and I
> think that is good
> But I regret it
>
> Swami G:
>
> what is it you do not wish to do anymore ?
>
> forget regret - old history ...
>
> Tomas"
>
> I want to be free from all the monk ideas Like it is
> bad with relations, bad with sex bad
> with outer success and all that
>
> Swami G:
>
> in order to begin it is important to know where you
> are .....
>
> Tomas:
>
> Ok I do not know where I am
>
> I am not a monk but not a normal man either
>
> Swami G:
>
> there is a difference in non attachment versus
> aversion -
>
> what is a normal man ? what is a monk ? are not both
> simply states of mind ? attachment
> of one type or another ?
>
> Tomas"
>
> yes it one type or the other
>
>
> Swami G:
>
> the path is to go beyond the external (outward)
> attachments or aversion.
>
> Consciousness needs no labels
>
> Tomas
>
> Yes I understand that but how to do it I tried with
> meditation for 30 years
>
> Swami G:
>
> labels are of the dual mind clinging to a persona
> which is held in place by ideas about .
>
> then perhaps the meditation was placed in a wrong
> direction ?
>
> ...
> not balanced
>
> Tomas
>
> My Guru teach us how to do it It is the same as Ron
> are doing
>
> Swami G:
>
> meditation technique and minds attachments may be
> many ...
>
> Tomas
>
> So you give different meditation to different people
> ?
>
> Swami G:
>
> the same technique may be given but the way it
> unfolds depends on the foundation in
> place.
>
> Tomas
>
> I understand that
>
>
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