Huen Tisang was as real/unreal as you or me. Uddiyana was as real/unreal as the 
USA.
  The muslims jihadists who murdered everyone and turned uddiyana into a 
wasteland were as real/unreal as the murdering jihadists today. 
   
  What other real/unreal uddiyana are you referring to in your comment? 
   
  If you are talking about the mythic dimension, as in Shambhala, then you need 
to address Vaj (Vajranath) on this forum. He claims to have a mythical, 
personal guru - Garab Dorje in "fact". Perhaps he can talk with Garab Dorje for 
you. Perhaps he'll call himself TertonDorje and initiate a series of Mind 
Terma-s, just for you.  
   
  Worth a try. 
   
  

Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
            Neat, now what about the real Urgyen?
  

         


       
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