--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Only a swami could give sannyas. There are five swami families. Which > lineage are you going to be?
I think there are 10, not 5- and I think mine will be Giri- my guru is from both puri and Guri for a reason- there were 4 Gurus for my guru in the jorney, 2 were with different linneages- h Giri and puri. My sanyas name has already been chosen but I don't know what is it yet, but you will hear about it. > > Don't tell me Natha and makea me laugha. > > developed - something like this. In taking sanyas, then again, a new name > > is given- I am > > taking sanyas sept 17th, then it is Swami whatever ananda. > > > > This is how things work on this path > > > -Path from where to where? Path is defined over here as the spiritual organization that has the Guru at the head. TM is a path under this definition, my path is under the direction of my Guru- Swami Ganga- Puri Kaliuttamananda-Giri- ( Swami G for short) . Since I think you are mistaken in who you think my Guru is, here is a link http://kundalinisupport.com/swamiji.htm With whom? To what? Are you doing Vipassana? my Guru does send some disciples there, but advises to not take in the philsophical standpoint or > Shamatha? or Mantravidya? Are you Buddhist, Hindu, or Man-About-Religion? Jewish I > ask simply because I remember reading about the retreats with her and I know > they sit long hours and go through much psychobabble and spiritual tripe. as I said , you have the wrong guru, no retreats are held - the meditation is integrated into life, very practical > Ever eaten tripe? A little goes a long way. Too much and you will be very > hungry. Be very careful who you bind yourself to. Ron. These shravakas who > set themselves up as experts have perks and money rewards for their > Entrance is donation only, there is even free entrance but if one is planing the free route, doubt there will be a lot of benefits to a closed heart. Ashram is needed, there is none yet, only an acount with $4000 which was collected over 8 years Answers to a second post: TQ:What I've been trying to communicate to you since you started this evangelize-to-the-poor-downtrodden- TMers-what-it's-like-to-study-with-a-*real*-teacher campaign is that there are other ways of seeing the situation than the way you currently see it. Tanmay: I agree with this- but I don't mind how it is perceived, it is up to each one and I am not calling it wrong- see it as you like, hope it is something that helps. TQ: One of them is that you spent decades believing what one teacher told you, without ever questioning the validity of anything he said, Tanmay: there is validity to TM and I am not saying that there is not. I honor the benefits I got, what was and how I did or did not question things is of the past. Because one behaves a certain way in the past about anything does not mean that this is current behavior, so this is why it is not worth bringing up the past in this connection and now it appears that you're doing exactly the same thing with another teacher. TanMay : It is not one thing I am doing, it is comprhensive path that is different in many ways. Maybe from you observation, it is what it is, but I know this is very different in many ways, and I am also in a different place than before. You seem to feel that this is progress on your part. I'm not sure that everyone here agrees with you. Tanmay: I know there is much progress for myself. I know that people see what they see, this has nothing to do with me- it is that same thing MMY said- give someone a flower, one is joyfull about it, one starts crying. I am promoting my path, as I feel like doing it, and am enjoying doing it. Maybe someone is interested and then even enters the path and has similar things to say and experience as I am. For those not interested, this is also fine. May all find that eternal lasting Being we hear about, that is all TQ:When asked about what *you* believe, you respond with your teacher's words, not your own. Tanmay: I think it is a good idea, especially compared to those that speak with athority about enlightenment but are not. Then if asked if they are enlightened, they side step the question with non sense. Whose words are better in describing enlightenment - mine when I claim not to be, or My Guru, which passes the test for me now. also the 2 newly enlightened disciples. TQ: Not all of us are convinced of the accuracy of the equation: SwamiGsaysIt = Truth Tanmay: Well, it boils down to each one having to use their discrimination, then choose what you choose, and reap the results. This is karma. I am presenting my path, others here in this forum present their path, which sometimes doesnt have a Guru - sometimes it is a machine even- not laughing at this for I think a machine can be way deeper than one can imagine- based on my experience of listening to a CD But I make a presentation or what ever you want to call it, see it as you like. again, if it is enjoyed , great. If not, well, this happens, no one will appeal to everyone. But no condemnation from my side, it is understood, different strokes for different folks. If my path is not of interest, maybe some other one or none is of interest. It is your Karma, choose wisely. These have been my words here as far as I can remember because as i said I am very much in the present moment now compared to any other time this life. TQ: SwamiGsaysIt = Ron *believes* it is the Truth Tanmay: There is belief in a path, but I am not doing it blindly, I have experiences with my guru, from the path, from the techniques, from the transmissions, shaktipat, kundalini awakening. IT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT TO HAVE THESE EXPERIENCES AS A BASIS FOR MY BELIEF. The belief part is beyond what is known by experience TQ: I'm merely pointing out something you seem to have missed, that you're acting a lot like a parrot. Tanmay: if you want to use that word fine. I am a parrot for those things beyond my own experience- this is more honest and even a breath of fresh air compared to one speaking with athority about the absolute but not from it. TQ: SwamiG sez this, SwamiG sez that. Who CARES what SwamiG says? Tanmay: I dont know but if you are not interested fine, maybe others are. Choose what you like and leave the rest for someone else TQ: What do YOU think about things? That's FAR more interesting to me than anything she has to say. Tanmay: This whole letter is from me. again interesting because it is your choce to be interested in what i have to say. Fine. My choice is what enlightened Gurus have to say. That is the only type of books I read, since I dont read too much- Ramana Maharishi is interesting, I havn;t finished the books yet TQ: You're obviously going to continue your evangelistic efforts, no matter what anyone says. Good for you, if it makes you feel like you're doing something valuable. Tanmay: it is fine at the moment TQ: But *as* you continue them, you'll have to forgive me (and others who have spoken up recently) if we point out when you're starting to sound like a fairly naive cultist who is just believing anything that his gooroo tells him to believe. Tanmay: Could be worse than this even. I haven't seen any lines around the block trying to knock the door down to get initiated. Hostility towards Gurus is not limited to any branch in society, it is all over. How do you think it is received anywhere when I tell people I have a guru? if it was received well then loads of people would be following a Guru. It is not the case in the world today. There are 6 billion on earth. If 10 million are following a Guru, this is like a needle in the haystack. So, not surprised at negative reactions. actually, it doesnt bother me. My observations and opinions about Gurus are that they are not robots and doormats for people to dump their garbage on. they have feelings- much to the surprise of many. My Guru takes it very deeply when there is this negativity, especially for one that is advanced in the path. My Guru said it wears down on the body- very draining. This comes from a story book idea and fairytale about what gurus are and are not. If they are robots and door mats, then by all means, say any nasty comment to them for they above feeling this or else they are not enlightened. My Guru explains that things are felt, only there is not a lasting, driving attachement to anything. TQ: Just as you are providing information on how things are done in your new study, we are occasionally provid- ing *you* with information on how those actions and practices are viewed in other studies and traditions and lineages. Sometimes the things you mention about how Swami G does business just raise big red flags for us, because we've seen those flags raised and dealt with in other traditions. Tanmay: What goes on in other places has nothing to do with what goes on here. Not fair to do this in my opinin and also not wise. If you are cheated by 10 business ment in a row, it is still not fair to label the 11th one so. even if 1 million cheat, it has nothing to do with here TQ:They're "dead end" practices that lead, over time, to confusion in the students and dependence on the teacher. Tanmay: not over here TQ: Fine, I guess, if what you really want to become is confused and dependent on your teacher. But if what you're looking for is freedom, that might not be the path you want to take. Tanmay: I am not confused, and not dependant on my teacher. I have made my choice, and it is even backed by Ramana Maharishi, who advises having a Guru. What ever choice you make is up to you. Maybe one thinks that if one follows their inner Guru and not an outter Guru, then they will get freedom compared to bondage by following a Guru. For those that think that way, well, fine. You are free to choose. I can let you know that Ramana would advise otherwise but not everyone respects what Ramana has to say. It is very popular to think that if you are following a Guru, you are brainwashed, looseing your freedom, etc. Many here in this forum are not swayed from following a Guru because others have told them you are looseing your freedom. I had a guy telling me I was wasteing my life when I was in TM. Who knows what it is that had in mind when telling me this. It is my life, not his. did he want me to quit tm and do what he does, what ever that may be? well, whatever it is - who cares It kinda boils down to I have made my choices here, I think they are good. I am letting people know about my choices, some find it interesting and even helpfull as they enter in the path as a result of hearing about it. This is a good thing. It is also fine if there is an entirely different reaction, all are free to choose , this is what free will is. My Guru;s general comments is that when a sincere seeker is there and something like this comes along, it means the universe is offering a choice, that's all. Tanmay
