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------- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 24 19:03:16 +0000 2008 ------- Hi hdu, thanks for the comments. I also don't want this issue to become endless tug war, so I just clarify some things. Note that I don't really have a perfect solution to offer, neither I'm expecting the text layout to be solved anytime soon. ... Yes, the quartz failing is just a bug, and does not need the level of changes that I'm describing here. The core of the discussion is that OpenOffice.org has been and in many respects is still not proactive in integrating with the other open source projects, causing OpenOffice.org to remain a huge, non-shared (with other projects) codebase. This means OOo needs to have e.g. it's own set of developers for all of text rendering and fonts, because no other project is working on that code. The reason for working with cairo based font rendering and layout is the same as using cairo library anywhere in the OOo: Yes, OOo could do everything by itself with directly using functions of native platforms + OOo specific crossplatform layer. However, OOo can also use cairo (among others) as the crossplatform layer, that can REMOVE the code that OOo currently has. While it creates another layer of API, if it (eventually) can become the only API (just like Mozilla Firefox 3 has), then the rest of the OOo code can be optimized for that API. And OOo developers can also work with cairo developers to improve that library (which already pretty good exactly thanks to contributions from MULTIPLE independent projects). => more shared code, less OOo-specific code. ... For graphics rendering cairo is the unquestioned choice. It seems to be a good choice for font rendering too. To me, text layout is completely unknown area. I do know that pango nowadays uses harfbuzz, which is a collaborative project between Gnome and KDE. So that's pretty good coverage on UNIX/X11. However, high quality crossplatform support is the key here. Only X11 is not enough. ... So currently I'm targetting just font rendering, and hoping a good layout solution comes up some day. And I'm not saying things cannot go to the other direction too. For example on UNIX, hunspell has originated from inside OOo and now distributions are standardising on it, and replacing the aspell/pspell/myspell alternatives. That's not crossplatform, but it's a nice step forward. If OOo's text layout is superior to others, why not create a crossplatform textlayout module -- with "libtextlayout" -library that can then be used by other projects (and is nicely isolated for OOo)? It would need to become an independent hunspell-like "sourceforge" project (i.e. outside of OOo CWS hassles and schedules) to truly enable sharing and collaboration. ... Open source gives best results when you are proactive with ways of sharing and collaboration. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification _______________________________________________ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list