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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=368561 Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC|[EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- Comment #18 from Nicolas Mailhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2008-11-10 03:52:42 EDT --- (In reply to comment #17) > Yet: > * Qt/KDE 3 never used those ligatures, nobody ever complained about that. People did, you just didn't notice it > * I remember reading about complaints from users of languages with dotless i > (mainly Turkish) about the fi and ffi ligatures which hide the dot on the i in > several fonts. If the fonts are buggy they should be fixed. If the fonts are ok but freetype makes a mess of them freetype should be fixed > * Why can't a letter just be a letter? That's a naïve western view. An awful lot of "letters" in unicode and opentype are not just "letters" but are rendered via various magic of which ligatures are a very small part. The OO.o issue tracker is choke-full of people begging SUN to support this kind of magic (because OO.o right now is even less capable than QT3 was and QT4/pango would be if we followed your suggestion). So users do care about this. (and the OO.o people are working to fix their bugs) DejaVu ligatures are light and not as spectacular than in other fonts. But DejaVu is not the only ligature user. Libertine has them, and so have an increasing number of other fonts (any self-respecting font designer adds them nowadays, because they're one of the key differentiator with legacy fonts) http://www.josbuivenga.demon.nl/tallys.html This is just a freetype autohinter bug. We can't ask font designers to ignore the patented bytecode engine and at the same time not support stuff that work with it. We can't hide your head in the sand while font technology progresses and Microsoft/Adobe invest massively in OpenType to fix its remaining typographical problems. We can't refuse to support stuff that works in other OSes and hope users don't notice. > (It's not just ligatures, kerning for > letter pairs like To where the o gets moved into the empty space of the T is > similarly funky.) This is overtight kerning in the font of which upstream is aware of (and on the TODO fix list). Not ligatures at all. > All those special cases make the fonts look irregular and > inconsistent. For the ligature bit, complain at freetype For the kerning bit, complain at dejavu That's two different problems. Modern fonts are complex beasts. We've progressed a lot in past years but there's still a lot of work to do freetype and free fonts side. Your proposal would not help things at all. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. _______________________________________________ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list