" . You stated that the basic human drives are inherently selfish"

Yes,  people say basic human drive is to procreate, and people do not
procreate 24/7, but do it hell of alot.

"when people eat they are not selfish"

how is someone going to be selfish alone??

"i was trying to say that you are making a moral judgement about basic human
drives...which are by nature amoral"

I base it on observation. I know people do not like to say humans are bad.

" Read my fund manager analogy to find out why this is a problematic >
definition ."

I took that from the oxford dictionary.

" > response to you taking a very "black or white" stance on whether or not
> something could be considered selfish,"

How can it be grey?  when people argue in a court of law then it can seem
grey.

" You're right...the idea that a person is either one thing or another >
100% of the time is silly"

So when we say someone is a happy person, we are wrong, because they can
become sad?
On Oct 6, 2011 8:32 AM, "Nat Russo" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Patience <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> I never said everything we do can be called selfish, (read my past
emails)
>> your taking what i said and going to the silly extreme. everything i
>> mentioned with involving being selfish involved interaction with others.
>>
> I've been reading all of your emails. Allow me to quote what you said:
>
> " Humans are biological entities, therefore at the core of their need
>> structure is three very strong drives: eat, have sex, and don't die."
>> And they have one thing in common, looking out for ones self. Drives font
>> include looking out for others
>> " because of our deficiency in physical strength learned to band together
>> to provide safety in numbers."
>> " But we also are competitive, which is why we are seriously still into
"my
>> tribe v. your tribe" mindsets. At best"
>> " realize that food, sex, and survival are at the foundation"
>> At the core of all of that is that they are looking out for themselves
and
>> their happiness ergo selfishness.
>> Look at why humans in general do what they do: breed, survive, succeed,
>> find happiness = looking out for ones self.
>
>
> The words in quotes are Ray's, I believe. Now, read what you said.
> Particularly the line that ends "ergo selfishness". You stated that the
> basic human drives are inherently selfish. That is why I responded with
the
> following:
>
>> " "Selfish" is a word that is filled with moral connotations."
>> " In fact, the word in and of itself tends to be used as a moral
judgement
>> more often than not."
>>
>
> I was trying to say that you are making a moral judgement about basic
human
> drives...which are by nature amoral.
>
>
>>
>> Well selfishness is not a good thing.
>
>
> A point I never argued.
>
>> Selfish: lacking consideration for others when concerned with one’s own
>> personal profit or pleasure:
>>
> Read my fund manager analogy to find out why this is a problematic
> definition.
>
>> In general people are so engrosed with their own life they will more
often
>> than not "lack consideration" of others.
>>
>> " a parent who places the mask on themselves first is NOT selfish."
>>
>> When you call someone happy that does not mean they are happy 100% of the
>> time, it just means that, that emotion is shown majority of the time
>> compared to other emitions.
>>
>>
> You're restating my argument, not presenting a new one.
>
> The fact that a person is not one thing or another 100% of the time was my
> response to you taking a very "black or white" stance on whether or not
> something could be considered selfish (or, specifically to the point,
> whether or not a person could be considered "selfless" based on one
selfless
> act). You're right...the idea that a person is either one thing or another
> 100% of the time is silly. That's why I pointed it out.
>
> The bottom line is we disagree on what should be considered selfish. To
> each his own.

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