On 7/14/07, Erick Tryzelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/14/07, skaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > Still .. to solve the chicken-and-egg problem it's a snowball effect.
> This is how I came about working on fbuild. I wanted to support

this doesn't help address the topic at hand at all, but

it always has, does, and probably will amaze me that software
engineering infrastructure tools still are kinda lame. not that i have
any brains to help solve the problem. but gosh. it is like you first
have to build the thing to build the thing to build the thing to oh
wait this is what i really wanted to build in the first place. dang.
like, make sucks - i agree - but then so apparently does everything
else, in some major way or another! excellent!

there's merit in doing ones own foundations if it can be done by
someone smart and focused. otherwise it can mean you end up with stuff
that not enough people know, that isn't fully done, that is probably a
bit fragile, etc. which is e.g. how it can be argued that writing in
java makes more sense than a nice FP - not that i condone that logic
all the time, but i can see the point, that having the community is
worth a lot.

i'd _guess_ that the best way to go is to not roll-your-own, rather to
use something which already exists (even tho i would consider fringy
things like those 'alternative' build and revision control systems)
and then spend some energy covering the holes - like, if you stick
with svn figure out the "cheapest" way to have a stable branch (don't
do back-ports to it, but have tests up front so it seems 80% working -
fully building and doing hello world at least - and then freeze it and
say we're not going to do much more to that, but at least it is there
for newbies?), or if you go with darcs make sure to have nightly
backups in case it corrupts something? dunno.

software is hard.

sincerely.

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