OK--long shot: Do you have philodendron or pathos in the house?
None of us are picking on you.............just struggling to find answers. I
just found out a few weeks ago that the above could be fatal to cats. I've had
them and cats who ignored them since 1983. Dixie Louise is paying much too
much attention to them. Again, just an idea. Some of the perfumes are also a
problem for cats---air fresheners etc.
This is all in love. I have no idea how you are standing so much.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their
fellow man.
St. Francis
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From: Hideyo Yamamoto
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:44 PM
Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
I usually don't give any herbal stuff - as it can be tricky especially
Chinese one - especially if they are healthy.. I am not giving anything - some
one from a different list wrote to me saying that she lost 4 kitties to FIP
within the same month, and in 4 month the numbers got 2 digits --- and someone
else on FIP list wrote to me saying that, they lost all of their 20 kitties who
were less than one year old to FIP over the course of several months.. FIP
incident is usally sporadic.. when I lost one kitty to FIP 5 years ago, none of
the kitties got it.. but I also know from reading different people's experience
that epidemic happens especially among breeders or shelters when there are so
many cats at the same place.. and that's what my house is - and I am really
feeling bad about my situation producing this damn disease..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
What about herbal or alternative medicines? Some things that are OK for
people are toxic to cats. Perhaps walk through your house and look around,
think about what else it could be. To have so many in such a short period of
time, and with symptoms coming on so suddenly in some cases....look at other
possibilities, especially where the cats are over a year in age.
Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think none of the kitties whom she lost recently to FIP at this past
incident was felk positive - (she had sent me the details of every kitty whom
she lost as I was very curious to find out what happened) -Karen who also
lost 6 of her kitties to FIP recently and none of them were felk positive
either..
I ended up doing necropaise on Olive as my vet suggested and it was FIP -
and I am assuming that the rest of my babies were also FIP - I am not sure
which portion of the symptoms don't sound like FIP except Rikki- I really wish
it was something else.. I have not lost any kitties older than two years old -
three were less than 1 year, and Peter was 1.5 years old..- I don't know for
sure if Rikki has FIP and it caused ARF or not - but there was nothing that he
could get into - please trust me - I would think of all the reasons to cause
what' s causing - Rikki's blood work is very similar to Peter though Rikki's
liver is functions are fine- I did all the blood parasite tests on Rikki - and
it was all negative - what else could it be? I don't keep any chemicals at all
in my house for cleaning supplies - as I get so worried about it .. if not,
FIP - what could it be? If you have any other ideas of the cause, I would love
to look into it..please let me know..
I have two separate houses where I keep my cats next to each other.. none of
the kitties from the other house (they are all older than 3 years old and I
have not brought any new kitties to the house for the past three years or so) -
When I read about the symptoms (both lab and clinical) of FIP -they are very
much what my kitties have gotten - it just attacks differents part of the body,
whether it's liver, kidney or CNS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Sally works with FeLV+ cats and kittens. FIP is much more common in cats who
are FeLV+. At one time it was thought that FIP and FeLV were part of the same
disorder.
The cattery situations often involve inbreeding.
I am on the FIP list. I have lost rescues last year and this year to FIP but
they have always been kittens under 10 months in age.
Hideyo, PLEASE look at causes other than FIP. Please do not lock on FIP as
the only explanation. From what you have described I think you need to look at
toxins in the environment, whether cleaning supplies, herbal or other
alternative medicines, something else. Your situation does not sound like FIP
to me. It sounds like at least some of these cats may be ingesting a toxic
substance. You really need to do necropsies to get to the bottom of this.
Please, if you keep focussing on FIP, you may miss a preventable/treatable
cause.
Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It's not that common - but there are a couple people on FIP list who has
had a similar experience as I do - some lost 20 in catteries or a couple of
hundreds even in some sheleter - they were all young kittens -
I was just talking to a couple of people who have lost 6 of their cats one
after the other to wet and dry FIP - and also Sally forester lost a several
kittens to wet FIP within a few months period - once you lose a couple of them,
you become very sensitive to certain symptoms.. now I have one boy Toni who I
rescued a couple of months ago started showing URIs symptoms and reocuurance
low grade fever - I am not freaking out yet.. but low grade fever that keeps
come back is usuall suspicious.. on the other hand, my FIV boy toby had 107
temp yesterday all of sudden and sneeze,, and knew he did not have FIP, just
calici virus or something.. and temp went down with some homeopathic remedy..
dry FIP is very subtle .. you think they just don't feel too good but they
usually eat okay - that's why it's to easy to miss..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Hideyo, I am still not convinced they have FIP, still. It is very unlikely
for so many to get it at once. Can you consult with an internist?
Michelle
In a message dated 11/17/2006 10:13:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL
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What a nice things to say, Marlyn - you are making me cry more..
It's very difficult with this diseases - as they did not come diseased
before they came to my house - FIP is a disease that produced by multihouse cat
household - so I am the main part of the reasons why they have had this disease
and I just can't change that..
