Ah yes...I suppose it would...with the exception of the fact that it didn't end 
well for ol' Frick...but I suppose I COULD change that....hehe..hmm...should I 
begin that career by lying to children...HA!  
   
  I'll think about it.  Thanks! ;-)

"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
        Hey Tamara
  I'm just dipping in here...haven't read anything else today yet----but I love 
the story of how you looked after your little goldfish for 3 years--just read 
it out to my co-worker--Tamara, weren't you the listmember who had some 
children's book ideas up her sleeve....my co-worker reckons (as I do) that "the 
goldfish who couldn't swim" would make a great book! 
  
  -----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris


  Thanks Chris! 
   
  I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep 
him.  Romeo is a good name for him!  
   
  Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl.  Once again we are 
treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my 
female, Coebeio.  Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having 
had enough goes after her.  Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs 
heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three 
stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the 
apt.  I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one 
another....its been about 5 months now...and no go.  To make it worse...Tully 
is prone to urine infections & crystals and has asthma....ssssooo here's yet 
ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever. 
   
  HA....I really think I must be doing something wrong!  I have friends who 
feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket & Walmart brand food)....let them 
come and go outside without supervision....Here I'm trying to feed my animals 
human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a 
special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain 
tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attacks....hell...I even had a 
diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that 
couldn't swim....-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of 
the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't 
float to save his life!  
   
  Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well!  Thanks 
again for the support!  Take care & God Bless.
  T

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Haven’t chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another perspective.  
Tamara & I were both looking for someplace for one of our cats—she for
 Simms, me for Big Boy.  We touched base with each other to compare notes & I 
remember when this all happened.  Being a total neophyte at this, I so 
appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me.  I 
remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was.  I sort 
of had to take stranger’s word that they were going to take care of BB as well 
as I would have!  In these ‘travels’ looking for a new home for BB, I ran 
across some pretty scary people.  One local guy was the ‘collector’ for FELV+ 
cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter.  He never let anybody come to his 
home & simply picked up the cats in various parking lots.  When I talked to 
him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone 
even come to inspect, much less visit.  Now he may have been wonderful, but who 
knows??  But everyone raved about what a nice guy he was—how could responsible 
rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if they had
 never been there???
   
  As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also 
overloaded—going to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor 
those fosters.  Sadly, my experience with BB search & w. my Katrina work, has 
shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their 
foster--many don’t even have a home visit to begin with—much less a visit after 
they receive animals.  I know that most fosters are GREAT situations—but it 
only takes one poor/marginal one to ruin it for everybody.  Tamara’s heads up 
to me way back then saved me a long trip down to Maryland, and more importandly 
saved me from making what could have been a bad placement for him…  
   
  Over the last few years, I’ve looked to this group for so much—and found that 
everybody could be open & honest here.  We need to give each other some clues 
when something doesn’t seem quite right…  So Tamara, thank you from me and from 
BB  (who by the way is now Romeo and sprawled out on my bed—so much for 
rehoming!)
   
    Chris
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  -----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Rude Ranch
   
    Hey, I understand.  I can understand where both the person who had 
volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from.  RR has a business 
to protect for the sake of the animals under its care, and they can only 
continue if the people who entrust the animals to them continue to help pay for 
the cats care...I get that.  And I understand this woman who agreed to help me, 
doing so out of the goodness of her heart b/c of her love of animals...I 
understand and respect that.  As for the conditions on her farm and the charges 
under her care, since they were not up to MY standards, as I believe I would 
want to live, so I found another alternative for the charge under my care. 

     

    While I believe that perhaps I should have alerted AC, I didn't because she 
IS working with all these other rescue organizations.  All these places, 
people, who start with the best of intentions do good work.  The level of 
"good" is relative to each individual's personal reality.  

     

    IF what she had said was true about RR shifting cats onto her, which she 
seemed very proud of- to be able to help...I felt it MIGHT help someone reading 
about RR to understand that there may be a POSSIBILITY that a cat placed with 
them, might not stay with them, and if sent away, might not wind up in a place 
as nice as their's.  I admitted in my e-mail that I had no personal knowledge 
of the workings of Rude Ranch, only relayed my experience with someone who 
claimed to...and because she knew them by name and seemed joyed to help them & 
because several other rescue operations I had spoken to recommended her to me, 
I had no reason to believe that she wasn't telling me the truth.  

     

    But as saying even the least little thing bad about a place can cause harm, 
so can saying a place is wonderful ....

     

    My only intention with my original post was to caution.  I know I have 
dropped animals at "WONDERFUL" shelters in the past, places I personally 
supported financially for years...then eventually volunteered there only to 
learn awful things about the running of the organizations (again...NOT 
referring to Rude Ranch, I've never been THERE)....but...If a place seems TOO 
wonderful, its often too easy to reliquish the care of a beloved animal to it 
and not feel any guilt.  Whereas IF all the facts were researched, perhaps a 
better place/person could be found if just given a little more time and 
research.

     

    I had/have no intention to villify people who care and are trying to 
help...even when they've lost their way.  EDUCATION to those trying to place 
felv+ cats is the best security for the animals, whether education on the 
disease itself, or on HOW to investigate anyone or place where one might leave 
an animal who is trusting you to care for them.

     

    I never said RR was bad, or absolutely did shift animals onto an overloaded 
foster home, I just relayed what little information I personaly heard from 
someone who claimed to have a good, working relationship with RR.  So that if 
anyone had seen them on Animal Planet they wouldn't automatically assume them 
to be the "be-all-end-all" (which they may actually be-who knows) just because 
they were on tv.  Speaking as a rescuer myself, who is more than willing to 
help others ...I prefer to do so when they've exhausted all other avenues...and 
NOT be their first call...being too good at what you do, can get you in WAY 
over your head.

     

    T

     

     

    

TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

    exactly..... it only takes one person with their own agenda to cause
irreparable harm.

we were once contacted by someone who wanted us to take her two FeLVs,
from quite a distance away. as FeLVs don't do really well on long
transports, we tried to work with her on more local options. every
place she went to, she found major fault with, yet every time we tried
to set up transport arrangements with her, she has one excuse after
another about why it wouldn't/couldn't work. i had many long emails
and phone calls with her, and finally, she just stopped responding.

about two months later, she started posting hissterical messages about
these same two cats on the lists. again, i wrote and reminded her that
we were willing to take them--on the lists, she wrote really nasty
letters about how i'd never responded to her before, and that if it
had been up to me, those cats would have been dead by now, then she
went on about how she wasn't going to send them to a place where the
cats lived in cages in tiny rooms all their lives--which was not at
all the case where we were--i'd sent her many photos of our
facilities..... when i reminded her, off list, of our phone calls and
emails, she went back on the lists, saying that i was harassing her
and that she was going to tell everyone to have nothing to do with our
sanctuary and that if she ever heard from me again she'd report me for
stalking.... i reported HER to all the lists she was posting on,
actually.....and considered sending her the bill for the long-distance
phone calls i'd made to her....

some people will never be satisfied, and sadly, some people really do
exist solely to make trouble for others.

MC

On 2/5/07, Kelly L wrote:
> I do not know personally of the place but be careful when saying
> something negative like that on line, You could really hurt someone
> trying to help.
> I have a small sanctuary and would never allow anyone in here with
> out an appointment, There are many many crazy people out there
> unfamiliar with what it takes to manage multitudes of cats...All it
> takes is for one cat to vomit in a corner and another boy baby to
> spray someones shoes.. Yup it happens. I know of two wonderful caring
> rescuers ( not hoarders) who lost al their cats when an novice cat
> person decided it was messy etc,,,,they called the authorities and as
> a result I imagine many cats lost their loving home and perhaps their lives,
> for a person getting rid of cats for any reason, why do they expect
> others to be able to do what they themselves are willing to do,,I
> have both FIV and FELV....
> I do recommend that any time a cat is placed a home check is in
> order,,that is common sense.
> Kelly
> www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
>
>
>


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