You can call THEM in the middle of the night & ask how she is! That's what I would do.

No, they will not insert a tube to tube feed her unless you ask them to. They can't put in a naso-esophageal tube when she is vomiting, so the only one that they can put in is one that bypasses the stomach.

Do you mean the ER vet is not 24 hours? Or do you mean that they are only open when the other clinics are closed?

You don't say where you are. What city of 50,000 & what city is 2.5 hours away. When I was debating moving to work at Best Friends in Utah, St George was the nearest city of any size & that was 1.5 hours away. Las Vegas was 4 hours. For my kitties I would make either of those trips. For the 4 hour trip, I would just stay there if I had to sleep in my car.

Hoping for a miracle,

Pam

C & J wrote:
The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 vet clinics. The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away. They may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there. Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday.

There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight. I can't tell them how to run their clinic. It sucks, but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me if anything is wrong.

I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down. I imagine they'll have to feed her tomorrow. I didn't ask how that is done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet?

Cassandra

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa


At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something in her tummy>>Please do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL... A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy at home.... Make sure you get a middle of the night update!!!! Insist....be a B$%^H...this is your baby... Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet????
I am here awake most of the the night,,,,
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night. I'm going to get the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed over tomorrow morning.

I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic.

This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends. All the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, and til noon on saturdays. If you have to see a vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet.

Cassandra
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa


At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet. We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here. So basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at the clinic.

So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa


At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have, The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as much as you want to,,,,,Feel free to email and post all night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby.
Kelly

Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. It tears me up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better. I don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope something helps.

I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.

She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try. I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her.

Cassandra

----- Original Message ----- From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa


Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kisa isn't doing very well so far.    Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her "third eyelid" is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the
food is going after it
goes in.

She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will
purr a bit when I pet
her, but that's about it.

I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not
sure she's even strong
enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,
or feeding tube
insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've
called don't know of an
oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere
nearby.

This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
remember that even in
people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's
usually not much more that
can be done.  I know someone right now who has
cancer, and since the cancer
went into her liver, the doctors have stopped
aggressive treatment.  She has
only painkillers and 6 months to live.

Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief
Kisa was only a week ago,
I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely
fearless, I could vacuum
her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had
an empty box or bag out,
she would be in it.  She carried a little stuffed
panda around all the time,
and would proudly announce she had something special
in her mouth.  No
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.
She could break into
anything, including the closets.

She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could
pet her belly, the only
cat that would let me do that.  And when she played,
she would be so gentle
when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she
would make the perfect
kitty for a child to play with.

It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the
ones that can cheer you
up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me
a long time to get over
the last 3 months, going through this process 3
times.  And I know at any
time, Tomi could get sick again.

I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't
seem to focus on anything
else other than my kitties these days.

Cassandra


----- Original Message ----- From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa


> Cassandra,
>
> I agree with what everyone says here, but am
keeping
> in mind that you are limited to location and
funding.
> That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo,
she
> does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol
shots.
> They will not cure anything, but will keep her
very
> comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to
do
> chemo.  They are steroids, but much stronger than
> prednisone.  I am so sorry Kisa is having to go
> through this (and you as well).  Prayers going out
for
> both of you.  Please keep us posted.
>
> :)
> Wendy
>
> --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Cassandra,
>>
>> I just read this email.  How is Kisa doing today?
 I
>> am not caught up yet.  I hope she's better.
Prayers
>> going out for both of you.
>>
>> :)
>> Wendy
>>
>> --- C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Well, after going to the vet today, it's not
>> looking
>> > good for Kisa.
>> >
>> > She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine,
and
>> > elevated number of lymphocytes.  Therefore they
>> > believe she has a liver disease, possibly
>> > lymphosarcoma.
>> >
>> > The only way they can tell for sure what the
>> problem
>> > is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means
>> > surgery.    They didn't suggest doing this
though
>> > because of the FeLV and her immune system being
>> > compromised.
>> >
>> > They gave me prednisone and baytril for her,
>> though
>> > i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping
>> those
>> > down when she is vomiting so easily.  They're
>> hoping
>> > the steroid will make her feel a little better
and
>> > maybe regain some appetite.
>> >
>> > I've really got to try and get her to eat
>> something,
>> > she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now.
>> >
>> > I don't understand why this is all happening at
>> > once.  First I watched Tomi get sicker and
sicker
>> > for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started
>> getting
>> > better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver
>> failure,
>> > and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes
from
>> > being a super healthy and active cat to death's
>> > door.  I haven't even had enough time to get
used
>> to
>> > Koda being gone, now its another crisis
situation.
>> >
>> > This is all after having nothing but healthy,
>> happy,
>> > and active cats for 12 years.
>> >
>> > I used to think how awful it would be if my
house
>> > burned down while I was away and my 5 cats were
>> > inside.  What is happening now is almost worse
>> than
>> > that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning
to
>> > wonder if something I am doing is causing all
this
>> > (like feeding raw food).  I've always kept my
cats
>> > indoors because I didn't want them to get run
over
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