Caroline, You are just such a thoughtful, nice person...Now , I wonder could it be from how you were raised? Anyway, I think it is a healthy subject to get on, as it is great hearing other people's take on these things...I know I have absorbed a couple new lines of thought on this subject, just by reading the experiences/opinions of others...never really observed the cat volunteers, the dog volunteers, but I certainly can see that now...why there are those two distinct groups out there... You know, the more we can learn, the more we can eventually share with others and if we can direct ourselves in a positive way, we can make the world a better place. It does seem to me ,especially for you Caroline, right now, all this interaction and flooding of ideas and information and positive approaches to things to help others, dogs at the moment, and even dogs not born yet is lovely. With what you have introduced to us,this subject of cat-lovers, dog-lovers is fantastic/interesting...Thanks. There are some people in this world that just give and give and I can see you are one of those...Actually, I feel that, the love, the give factor, in everyone in this group. I'm really happy I found you guys... Now, I must tend to my day...I do work and I do have cats to care for... and a hundred other things... However,isn't it nice to have a little mutual mission right now, where we can put some love towards helping those poor dogs, by making the actions of that Vick person reflect to society the ugly, evil, abomination that it really was...? Little boys, especially, should never admire someone who conducts himself in the fashion of Mr. Vick...This is why, he must experience absolute humiliation in the public light.We all want that to happen...right? As for the people who say, loudly and proudly, that they do not like cats...in a way it is all the same, just another form of disrespect for animals. It would be my guess, Mr. Vick started out in life thinking he hated cats and he simply was never taught or learned anything about what it is to feel the wonder, amazement and love for creatures, other than maybe humans, who share our world. Vick and his "friends" are the extreme result of little boys left unchecked...Certainly, they were all horrible to cats as children...so by doing what we are doing here, is helping cats too...something to think about... Later, Glenda --- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--------------------------------- I think I inadvertently started this whole debate about dog-lovers vs. cat-lovers and I so didn't mean to do that! I just meant that, sadly, if you need to quickly draw attention to an animal plight that people need to rally behind, a lot of times, it's easier to do so when the plight involves dogs. I don't think that's right, but I have found it to be true. But, having been the daughter of a vet, no one in my family got to really have the choice between which animal we would prefer! We had to love them all...cats, dogs, pet mice that I "saved" from being fed to a rehabbing snake, a gerbil, more ring-necked doves than you can imagine, a baby rabbit, tons of injured song birds, an injured duck, an injured wild turkey, and even a baby mountain lion that my dad was rehabbing when he was the Zoo vet that lived at our house for a while. The list goes on... But yes, a lot of the caring and compassion for animals does come from exposure and experience. I feel bad for people who didn't have the opportunity to learn to take care of another creature....it's like a compassion chip is missing or something. -Caroline --------------------------------- From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:42:28 -0700 (PDT) >Hi guys, >I could not help but add my two cents here on the >subject of people who are convinced, or announce >openly that they do not like cats: >I noticed early on, that the people who proudly state >that they do not like cats,always speak from the >aspect of misinformation on every level. THESE ARE >PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER KNOW A CAT! it just occurred to >me too, that these might be people who grew up >torturing every cat they might have run across as a >child, so their experience with any cat might have >been negative...like imagine ,say farm cats kept only >as mousers, being treated badly by a family...These >cats might run and hide every time a human >appeared...I just thought of that... >Anyway, somewhere along the line, these individuals >have probably been brainwashed into believing cats are >only nice to you when they want something, while, if >in the same sentence, they might proudly state, "BUT, >I DO LIKE DOGS", hoping to redeem themselves as >sensitive individuals somehow, as well as pillars of >character...They maybe watched too many Lassie films >and believe dogs will stand by you until the end, no >matter what ?Who knows, it is usually a >combination...However, the one constant is : THESE >PEOPLE NEVER KNEW A CAT. These are simply very >uneducated/inexperienced types in animal contact >exposure situations...A lot of the time these types >are following a party line laid out by their family >for a generation or more... It is like they are >trying to make some kind of statement attesting to >their own character, by conveying what might seem >admirable to them...aligning their own personality, >say with what they believe are the attibutes of a dog >personality? It is most often an image thing... Also, >these people are not animal lovers at all, no matter >how they try to come across about LOVING dogs... >their exposure to animals and experience with animals >on a personal level is usually null.They know >absolutely nothing about animals...I , when confronted >by this sort of person only say to them , "You just >have never known a cat" I am always right 100% of the >time. Oh yeah, and let's not forget those men striving >to project a macho image that even if somewhere along >the line they did know a cat and even appreciated that >cat would never admit it and wants the world to think >HE IS ABOVE THAT, FRILLY STUFF, AND WANTS TO EQUATE >HIMSELF WITH A DOG...LIKE CATS ARE A TOO FEMALE THING. >I'm sorry if I am rambling here , but I'm just typing >as I am thinking about what I have observed in people >on this subject. I SERIOUSLY DO NOT WANT TO SOUND >PREJUDICE EITHER, AS I'M TRYING TO SLAM PREJUDICE HERE >IN MY RANTING! >The bottom line is, when I do come across people who >tell me they do not like cats, I immediately feel >sorry for them ,because they have simply missed out on >such a love and a joy and seriously, there is no >little critter more entertaining than a cat who has >lots of personality...Oh yes , and cats are loyal, >loving, cuddly, a lot easier to deal with than a >dog...like if one must leave a cat alone for a day... >There is all kinds of prejudice in this world and it >is a very terrible thing. Every single incident of >prejudice could be completely alleviated >if the parties involved would only take the time to >get to know what it is they feel they are not familiar >with or uncomfortable with...If only people were more >kind and thoughtful and could appreciate everything in >this world that is beautiful...there would never even >be wars... >I think a lot of us love our cats so much because we >can retreat in to that safe little beautiful world and >spend our time and energy devoting ourselves to >something that is sweet and beautiful what is a >cat...By the way, I love dogs too, probably too >much...Which reminds me: DO SOMETHING NICE TODAY FOR A >DOG! Later, Glenda >--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Susan, > > > > > > > > You've said it exactly. I think that dog people like > > the attention and > > companionship. I love dogs as well as cats, but cats > > give us more freedom > > (well, not with the checkbook), plus we're just > > cat-people. Like Caroline > > pointed out, there are many many dog people, but > > most people I meet don't > > like cats at all. Why? I haven't figured that one > > out. Stereotypes? > > Misconceptions? Idiocy? Not really sure. > > > > > > > > The pit bull abuses reminds me of The Dog Whisperer > > on Discovery or TLC or > > whatever. Cesar Millan is so good at showing that > > most dogs can be > > rehabilitated, but in most instances it's the humans > > that need the > > rehabilitation, not the dogs. The plight of pit > > bulls in our country is very > > sad and depressing. They are certainly the most > > misunderstood and mistreated > > of dogs (up there with racing dogs). Plus many > > people mistake other breeds > > for pit bulls, not even understanding what a pit > > bull actually is-they just > > equate them with any tough, muscular dog with a > > stocky stature. > > > > > > > > Enough ranting-I'm done with dogs for today. It's a > > happy day-our central > > air should be fixed today after being broken for 3 > > weeks in 90-degree > > weather! The babies will be so happy! I'll be happy > > to play with them again, > > and get back to normal! But living without air > > conditioning helped us see > > how truly spoiled we are, and how much we take for > > granted. > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Susan Dubose > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:16 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL > > player > > > > > > > > it was always so funny when I worked @ the AHS. > > > > > > > > The difference between the "dog" volunteers / > > walkers & the "cat" > > volunteers....... > > > > > > > > Dog people seem to really dislike cats, and they > > needed to have something > > that "wants to please them". > > > > > > > > Very important. > > > > > > > > The cat volunteers also liked dogs, but purrfurred > > cats. > > > > > > > > The cat people could also appreciate the free spirit > > of a cat, as opposed to > > the "neediness" of a dog. > > > > > > > > And dogs that do not respect the "pack order" in the > > home environment can be > > considered unadoptable, unfortunately, due to the > > fact that they will > > challenge the children. (And other things, to say > > the least). > > > > > > > > Can you tell I took a lot of behavioral classes and > > used to evaluate dogs > > for intake into our adoption program...? > > > > > > > > It was actually pretty sad, we would have to make > > sure the dogs were "dummy > > proof". > > > > > > > > And Caroline, please do not measure yourself by what > > others have done, be > > happy that you are more evolved than most folks and > > that you are doing > > something to help, and that you know what is right & > > what is wrong. > > > > Susan J. DuBose >^..^< > > www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com > > www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org > > www.shadowcats.net > > "As Cleopatra lay > > in state, > > Faithful Bast at > > her side did wait, > > Purring welcomes > > of soft applause, > > Ever guarding > > with sharpened claws." > > Trajan > > Tennent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Caroline Kaufmann > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:31 PM > > > > Subject: Re: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL > > player > > > > > > > > The Humane Society is overseeing the care for the 52 > > seized dogs. I fear > > that some will have to be put down due to injuries > > and illness. But there > > has got to be some kind of rehabilitation that is > > done on the dogs that are > > not ill/injured beyond repair. Also, I try not to > > know too much about pit > > bull fighting because it's too hard for me to > > stomach...but some females are > > used just for breeding, so I should think some of > > the would be salvageable. > > Again, if you can, log onto the Humane Society's > > website and you can donate > > an amount that will be used to help these actual > > seized dogs. > > > > I guess this is just a reminder that our work is > > never done. Even if you > > don't do dog rescues or you aren't a "dog person," > > it's still important to > > give what you can...and even more so, to call > > attention to this matter to > > the people out there who are dog people! I think in > > my whole life I have > > met way too many people who AREN'T cat people and > > that has always made me > > sad, but I can count on only one hand the people > > that claimed to not be dog > > people. Thus, I feel like if you take the time to > > get the word out, there's > > no end to the positive results that could come from > > that just because of the > > shear numbers of people who are willing to stand up > > against cruel treatment > > of dogs. > > > > All of you people have done more than me for animals > > and it amazes me the > > >=== message truncated === > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. >http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > --------------------------------- i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
