Definitly need large litter boxes, especially if you have a long legged critter like my Harley or a slightly pudgy one like Homey. Even the small one likeLil Bit like enough room to move around.
---- MaiMaiPG <maima...@gmail.com> wrote: > Or even an uncovered one. They are big enough for my guys and they > are young enough to jump in. I learned about them when I was dealing > with a 19 year old marvelous feral who moved in with me (trust me, I > wasn't into cats but he changed that big time). I would never buy one > of those tiny litter boxes for my boys. > On Mar 11, 2012, at 8:39 AM, GRAS wrote: > > > A friend also used those wooden garbage bin holders that open from the > > front....she cut openings for entry, put in a shelf for more > > sleeping space, > > filled with hay or straw, or even smaller individual Styrofoam > > cubicles > > without lids, and it housed about 10 or more cats. > > BTW - Rubbermaids also make great covered litter boxes for multiple > > cats. > > Cut an appropriate opening in front, depending on cats' needs (low > > or higher > > threshold), and presto, litter box with a lid! Natalie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG > > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:11 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR > > > > Plastic rubbermaid totes will help too. If you cut a hole toward > > the end on > > one of the long sides and leave the lid on top, you can stuff it > > with a > > little hay or pine needles (no cloth please, it holds water). > > Cutting the > > hole this way lets them get further out of the weather and feels > > safer than > > putting it in the middle or on a short side. The top acts as a roof, > > repelling water and wind and makes it easier to tend to the box. I > > like to > > put a little Sevin in for fleas during the season. > > On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:03 AM, <dlg...@windstream.net> <dlg...@windstream.net > >> wrote: > > > >> If the caregivers provide protection for them, even a styrofoam > >> cooler > >> wll protect frm rain, snow and with a bit of straw, they can be warm. > >> > >> ---- GRAS <g...@optonline.net> wrote: > >>> At least the cat colonies don't have to freeze in the winter in FL > >>> like they do elsewhere. > >>> > >>> Most TNR groups that I know of in this area don't tests at all. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:27 PM > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>> From: Heather <furrygi...@gmail.com> > >>> Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Definitely not to argue, but to provide some perspective on high > >>> volume TNR and the ACA (and Neighborhood Cats) stance on routine > >>> testing of TNR ferals... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> While millions of cats are of course killed in shelters each year > >>> nationally, the free roaming cat population on the streets may > >>> differ vastly > >>> geographically. In my city (Tampa), there are hundreds of > >>> thousands of > >>> feral cats. There are several of us constantly practicing TNR on > >>> the > >>> "population at large" (or colonies where the feeders are not > >>> fixing--a huge > >>> sore spot with us, too), meaning trapping pretty much every week, > >>> sometimes > >>> more than once a week, cats who are not at our own colonies. Some > >>> of my > >>> friends trap anywhere from 10 - 50 cats per week for TNR (and of > >>> course > >>> kittens and such are rescued as much as space/socialization/fosters > >>> permit, > >>> sick cats treated, etc.) Routine TNR's--not being rescued for > >>> adoption or > >>> not being addressed/treated for illness are not tested. If we > >>> tested every > >>> cat, we could only spay/neuter/vaccinate a fraction of the cats. > >>> There > >>> would be far more (exponentially, we all know how cats can > >>> reproduce--here > >>> it's hot and a mama will have 3 litters a year) cats breeding, > >>> spreading > >>> illness. There would be more negative AND more positive cats, and > >>> therefore > >>> since unfixed, also more positive (and negative) kittens being born > >>> on the > >>> streets. In our city, we are serving the greater good by fixing > >>> as many as > >>> possible. Since we all also do a lot of rescue, pulling > >>> friendlies/dumped > >>> cats, or cats to be treated for illness, from colonies, I can say > >>> we run > >>> into FELV fairly seldomly. Despite my own very high # of colonies, > >>> in > >>> addition to helping people rescue and fix cats all over, I have run > >>> into > >>> FELV the most of anyone I know and it's really just been in two > >>> areas, close > >>> in proximity, where the feeders are NOT fixing the cats. Disease > >>> definititely seems to proliferate where the cats are unsterilized, > >>> though of > >>> course I realize it spreads in other ways besides reproducing. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> As TNR has steadily increased in our county, the # of cats > >>> euthanized at our > >>> county AS has steadily declined--I can share a graph if anyone is > >>> interested, the results are absolutely amazing and pretty much in > >>> direct > >>> proportion in terms of euth decrease/TNR increase. Several years > >>> ago > >>> 16K-18K cats were killed per year at this county shelter; now it is > >>> down to > >>> around 9K. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Even our own local Humane Society--which has the most awesome s/n/ > >>> TNR > >>> clinic, but was very firm on testing for years, finally conceded > >>> with the > >>> ACA/Neighborhood Cats stance that, on routine TNR's not showing > >>> signs of > >>> illness, the resources are best spent in sterilizing more cats than > >>> on > >>> testing. They do sometimes call us while assessing/operating and > >>> say they > >>> feel a particular cat needs to be tested. They are elated by the > >>> decrease > >>> in shelter euthanasia as well. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I have no qualms returning an FIV+ cat to a safe area with a good > >>> caretaker, > >>> I had one FIV+ female who lived to be 14 outside until we brought > >>> her in to > >>> live her last 9 months due to geriatric issues. Granted, this was > >>> on a > >>> university campus where we often have cats live to be over 10 years > >>> old > >>> (just a little different environment from the true streets such as > >>> fast food > >>> joints, etc.). > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I hope me providing this perspective isn't resented--again, it's not > >>> intended to argue, just some comments to explain why many embrace > >>> the ACA > >>> perspective on not testing routine TNR's > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion and best > >>> practices for > >>> what they are doing. The overpopulation problem in Florida is > >>> insane, that > >>> is one thing that goes without saying. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks everyone for caring about cats! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Heather > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Beth <create_me_...@yahoo.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats > >>> > >>> Unfortunately, Alley Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned > >>> & not > >>> even tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this & > >>> refuses to > >>> test ferals. > >>> > >>> Crazy. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > >> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
