On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 04:35:35PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Hi, > > Le 28 octobre 2023 21:01:57 GMT+03:00, Michael Niedermayer > <mich...@niedermayer.cc> a écrit : > >On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 07:21:03PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > >> Hi ronald > >> > >> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 12:43:15PM -0400, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > >> > Hi Thilo, > >> > > >> > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 11:31 AM Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel < > >> > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > > What this is about, is to set up a way to properly spend the SPI money > >> > > aside > >> > > from travel & hw. Why we should not do it because some companies > >> > > beurocracy, I > >> > > cannot see. > >> > > > >> > > >> > I sincerely don't think the above description is what Kieran meant when > >> > he > >> > talked about sustainability at Demuxed, which this thread seems to be a > >> > response to. > >> > >> a quick reply here. I have not watched kierans presentation from demuxed > >> yet. > >> So theres absolutly no chance anything i wrote till now can be a respone to > >> it. > > > >some more words about what the intend of this plan was, again not a respone > >to any presentation of anyone else > > > >Donations from people vs companies: both really. > > I think Ronald's point is that you need to pick one, and clarify which it is, > because as Ronald explained, it's unlikely that a *good* plan could address > both (conversely a plan that tries to address both is probably poor and > flawed). > > In other words, if you want to cover both cases, you need two separate plans.
you are correct, i agree here but this is a RFC so its not a final plan. i think for the donations from users the real question is how many of our users can we reach to explain them that they are using FFmpeg and a tiny donation would help us alot. if thats only a few thousand users then this will not work > > And unfortunately, I do believe that Ronald is correct in pointing out that > big companies will want oversight in exchange for money. This is very much > counter to the current project setup, which (depending whom you ask) is > governed by the GA, or by Fabrice Bellard through his delegates. > > This is not to say that these corporate wishes should or should not be > accomodated. It is just an observation of those wishes. if i look at spi.txt, it says "SPI needs a contract in place which describes the work to be done. " so if we have someone do some payed development work be that one time or continous. There would be a contract that says what is going to be done. That also would have been approved by the community or GA or whatver and the company paying would have a say in whats in that contract, really limited by what we are ok with and what the law allows > > >Peoples donations would only matter if we can increase awareness of people > >using FFmpeg. We have over a billion users but they dont know it. > >if each user gives us 1cent per year our sustainability is solved. > >So driving awareness alone would solve this already, even if only 0.1% > >of users would donate 10$ per year that would do. > > How do you plan to gain visibility from those billion users? Call me > pessimistic but this has been a known problem for 20+ years, and I have yet > to glimpse a credible solution. It depends on the community. If the commuity wants to do it Just look at some online service which annoy you telling you to disable a add blocker we could detect a specific usecase we intend to target and print a simple message once that will not annoy the user a 2nd time This is very controversal and iam not sure if 99% are against it or find it funny. Iam just awnsering the "how it can be done" not saying iam in favor or against [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. -- Voltaire
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