Hi On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 07:20:43PM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote: > Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-02-18 01:43:14) > > "If the disagreement involves a member of the TC" > > does IMHO not preclude commenting on a patch. > > > > For a disagreement we need 2 parties. For example one party who > > wants a patch in and one who blocks the patch. or 2 parties where both > > block the other. > > > > Being a party of a disagreement would not make anyones opinon invalid. > > Anything that goes to TC is a disagreement.
probably, thats true, yes > Anyone who expressed an > opinion on the patch then is 'a party to the disagreement'. no, i dont see it that way A developer blocking a patch is a party to the disagreement So is the developer who calls the TC because of that. Similarly if you look at real world court cases parties to the lawsuit are the one who is filling the lawsuit and the defendant. The thousand people expressing an oppinion in some random place are not parties to the disagreement More formally, you could define a "party to a disagreement" as all minimal sets of people whos non existence would resolve the disagreement That is if 3 people block a patch all of them are parties to a disagreement but a person expressing an oppinion is not. Also the person(s) calling on the TC are parties to a disagreement. And the main author(s) of the patch too are > > > But I think it is reasonable that parties of a disagreement cannot be > > the judge of the disagreement. > > Why not? This is one of those truthy-sounding statements that does not > actually hold up to scrutiny. Imagine a judge kills someone and judges himself innocent afterwards in a panel of 5 judges * A disagreement implies that there are 2 parties * And we assume here that what one party wants is better for FFmpeg than what the other wants. * The TC needs to find out which partys choice is better or suggest a 3rd choice. * If one but not the other party is a member of the TC then this decission becomes biased if that member votes Your interpretation suggests that the TC members are "above" everyone and should prevail in arguments they have with others. I dont think the GA has given that power to the TC. thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB I have often repented speaking, but never of holding my tongue. -- Xenocrates
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