On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 10:09 PM Devin Heitmueller < devin.heitmuel...@ltnglobal.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:55 PM Mark Filipak <markfilipak.i...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hey Devin, > > > > On 01/02/2024 09.54, Devin Heitmueller wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:15 AM Mark Filipak < > markfilipak.i...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> FFmpeg assigns DTSs & PTSs to P-frames and B-frames in MPEG2-TS > streams. How does it determine those > > >> DTSs & PTSs? > > >> > > >> Since DTSs & PTSs don't actually exist for P-/B-frames in MPEG2-TS > streams, FFmpeg must have a way > > >> that's unknown to me. > > > > > > P/B frames can certainly have PTS values. > > > > Well, they _can_ as in they're not prohibited, but I can't recall ever > seeing a P-/B-frame in > > MPEG2-TS supplying a DTS or a PTS. I've parsed quite a few MPEG2-TSs. > > If you want to share a sample with me privately, I can take a look and > possibly offer you a better explanation. > > P/B frames generally have PTS values. B frames *must* have both PTS > and DTS since they are different values. If you're not seeing them > then either your sample is broken or your parser is. > > > > In fact, you have to have > > > PTS values in B frames since they differ from the DTS (since with B > > > frames the presentation order differs from the decoding order). > > > > I don't see DTS or PTS in the PES header. What I do see is > 'PES_extension_flag'=='0' and > > 'PTS_DTS_flags'=='00', so no PES ext and no dts or pts. That's why I > asked my question. > > The PES extension flag is mutually exclusive of whether the > PTS_DTS_flags field is set. It's very common for there to > PTS_DTS_flags to be non-zero while PES_extension_flag is false. > > > Every once in awhile I'll see 'PTS_DTS_flags'=='10' but that's unusual. > Mind you, this is in > > MPEG2-TSs. I don't how to parse anything else. > > That shouldn't be unusual. It means there is a PTS but no DTS in that > PES. In fact, specifying the PTS without the DTS is generally what > you're supposed to do if they are the same value (which is the norm > for audio streams and video streams without B frames). > > > > There are potentially cases with some streams where the PTS and/or DTS > > > is not specified for every frame, > > > > I'd say "usually", not "potentially". > > > > > in which case libavformat will > > > interpolate those values based on the frame duration and the prior > > > packet. > > > > Of course. But why? They're not needed. Once the TS packets are put in > correct sequence via SCR, the > > PS packets transported by those TS packets are in presentation order. > The process to reorder the PS > > in order to decode B-frames and then put the decoded pictures back into > the original order is > > straight forward. It's not "tricky" at all. > > Um, I'm not sure what to say here. The DTS is what defines the order > that the packets are announced to the decoder. The PTS defines the > order in which they are presented. The SCR will constantly increment. > I think perhaps you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how PTS/DTS > works. > > > It has become "tricky". That's what I'm trying to investigate, but I > can't read 'C' code. > > > > >> I'm seeing some strange things. They can't be as strange as they look > because they look disastrous. > > >> At issue is the cause of non-monotonous DTSs and obviously bogus DTSs > for P-frames such as > > >> '-9223372036854775808'. > > > > > > 9223372036854775808 is a magic number. It corresponds to the #define > > > for AV_NOPTS_VALUE. If you see that value it means that the packet > > > did not have a PTS or DTS value assigned to it and thus you may have > > > to take special measures. > > > > Oh, dear. I guessed that. > > > > Magic number. Fixup. There's a million fixups. I don't see why they're > needed. That's why my > > preliminary finding is that FFmpeg is creating its own faults through > fixups. > > This is essentially how all demuxers/parsers work. The PES packet in > the stream doesn't contain a PTS or DTS, the API tells you that, and > thus the application has to use a heuristic to assign a value. Some > implementations may do the interpolation for you, but libavformat > basically tells you there is no PTS and leaves it to the application > to decide what to do. > libavformat implementation is very low level. > > Devin > > -- > Devin Heitmueller, Senior Software Engineer > LTN Global Communications > o: +1 (301) 363-1001 > w: https://ltnglobal.com e: devin.heitmuel...@ltnglobal.com > _______________________________________________ > ffmpeg-user mailing list > ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". > _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-user-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".