]] Steve Langasek 

Hi,

(it's great to see somebody setting Mail-Followup-To so gnus just sends
mail to the right address!)

| Pulseaudio works just fine on Ubuntu with /usr.  If you can point to an
| actual problem with this configuration, let me know and I'll be happy to fix
| it (and forward the changes to Debian - but presumably not to upstream,
| since it's a distribution issue rather than an upstream one).

The point is: I don't care whether it works with a separate /usr or not,
and my response would to it doesn't work with a separate /usr» would be:
«file bugs or just go the path of least resistance: put /usr on /».  I
know which of those I'd do.  You care about being able to put /usr on a
separate file system, so you get to do the leg work of actually testing
and making sure it works.

[...]

| > | To be clear, I'm *also* in favor of ensuring that /usr as a symlink to / 
is
| > | well-supported.  But I'm a user with encrypted / and unencrypted /usr, and
| > | it matters to me that there is no risk of filesystem corruption causing
| > | shards of LibreOffice to be shotgunned through my critical system 
libraries. 
| > | Oh, and pulseaudio, dbus, plymouth, cups, and NetworkManager all work
| > | perfectly well for me.
| 
| > That they work for you just means you are lucky enough to not hit the
| > race conditions, it does not say anything about whether there are race
| > conditions or not.  I'd be surprised if everything worked fine if you
| > put /usr on a file system that took 60s extra to mount, to ensure you
| > hit more race conditions.  (I could be wrong, though.)
| 
| I can test this later if you like.  I'm not currently in a rebooting mood.
| :)

It'd be interesting to see results of this test (even though it might
not be conclusive, if some bits work by accident or you don't have the
requisite hardware to make it break), even if it might not be complete.

Cheers,
-- 
Tollef Fog Heen
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are
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