David:

That's the way I do it. I can hear it in my head. Sometimes I make changes
later. That's the problem I have with Finale. It is so easy to make changes.
That's the way I do it. I am not complaining about anyone's way of doing
things. The important thing is to do realize the music the best way for you.

BF

"David H. Bailey" wrote:

> That's fine -- I suppose you never have to revise your scores after you
> hear them?  Never change the dynamics?  Never decide to add a ritard
> because it would sound nice, after you heard the piece without the ritard?
>
> I am very happy for everybody who pretends to be deaf like Beethoven
> when they compose.  I am not like that.  I am not a Mozart.  I can't
> conceive of scores complete in my head and write them down perfectly so
> I don't ever want to change a note.  (Come to think of it, Mozart
> couldn't do that either, I distinctly remember seeing some corrections
> and revisions in some manuscript facsimiles.)
>
> Your teacher could have told me that all he/she wanted to and it still
> wouldn't make me perfect in my composing, and never want to change a
> note after hearing it performed.  Heck, Beethoven, Mozart, Mendelssohn,
> Schubert, all the greats of the composing world went back and made
> changes after hearing what worked and didn't work in concert.
>
> Why be so arrogant and proud about not wanting to hear it in your studio
> BEFORE you put it in front of musicians?  If that is your cup of tea,
> and you can do it and never make any revisions, then God bless you and
> good luck!
>
> I can't do it, and I don't feel I should have to notate the entire thing
> in a notation program and not be able to hear things reasonably
> represented, including dynamics.  Why should I have to go to a different
> program and then manually place the same dynamics I have already placed
> in Finale?  Why should I even have to go to a different window and muck
> about with the midi tool, just to get crescendi to play back properly,
> when I have entered them as I want them in the score already?
>
> The fact of the matter is that Finale CAN play those things back, as
> long as I take a bit of extra time.  I remember when word extensions
> used to be like that and then Coda made them more automatic and easy to
> work with.  Are you suggesting that since they were already possible
> that Coda shouldn't have wasted development dollars on improving their
> implementation?  I rarely enter music with lyrics, so to me development
> money spent improving the lyrics tool or word extensions is wasted.
>
> But you don't see me complaining that Coda shouldn't be spending time on
> improving that aspect, since I realize it is important to many Finale
> users, even though it isn't important to me.
>
> Why do you take that attitude with improving the midi implementation
> already in place in finale?  Just because you don't use it is no reason
> to assume that many others don't use it, too, and may even find it the
> most helpful part of the program.
>
> But what the heck, maybe my new shipment of Prozac will arrive any
> minute now and I won't care about anything. ;-)
>
> Bob Florence wrote:
>
> > I remember my teacher telling me: "You have to see with your ears and hear
> > with your eyes". I don't use a piano or Finale's playback. Forgive me if I
> > sound arrogant. I am in complete agreement with Harold Stienhardt.
> >
> > Bob Florence
> >
> > Harold Steinhardt wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:43 PM, David H. Bailey
> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Finale is NOT just a page-layout program for engravers, it is also a
> >>>
> >>>tool used by arrangers and composers who want to hear how what they
> >>>
> >>are
> >>
> >>>working on sounds
> >>>
> >>>
> >>If an arranger or a composer does not know what it will sound like
> >>BEFORE notating it, then they do not know their art/craft very well.  If
> >>they don't already know what it will sound like, how do they
> >>determine what to write in the first place?
> >>
> >>Finale: The Art Of Music Notation.
> >>
> >>Harold
> >>
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>
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> David H. Bailey
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