David, of course you're right, that it is ambiguous according to the middle-line stem reversal rule (stems-down is _preferred_ anyway), but IMO the majority rule, which applies primarily to stem direction of chords, holds true also in this particular case. Please note that Finale stems down also examples C to H, so there really is no explanation why ex.B has stems up.
Yes, freezing stem direction cures a problem with Patterson Beams, but then you have to watch slur direction -- slur will jump to the other side :( with best regards, Abel Korzeniowski C: --------------------- --------------O------ ----------O---------- ------O-------------- --------------------- D: --------------------- ----------O---O------ ----------O---O------ ------O-------------- --------------------- E: ------------O-------- ------------O-------- --------------------- ------O-------------- ------O-------------- F: ------------O-------- ------------O-------- ------O-----O-------- ------O-------------- ------O-------------- G: ------------O-------- ------------O-------- --------------------- --------------------- ------O-------------- H: ------------O-------- --------------------- --------------------- ------O-------------- ------O-------------- H. Bailey wrote: > > All the major notation references I have seen state that notes beneath > the middle line of the staff have stems up, that notes above the middle > line have stems down and that notes ON the middle line can have their > stems go either way. In the case of beamed notes which straddle the > middle line, the note furthest from the middle line determines the stem > direction. If both are equally place (as in example A of Abel's post) > it is arbitrary how the stems should go, the decision being based on > the surrounding stems. > > In example B, it is still ambiguous and the stems could go either way. > There is nothing I have seen which would demand that the stems go up or > down in such a case, although I would prefer to see it with stems down. > > It seems you are saying that Patterson Beams can't adjust the beam angle > the way that Finale has the stems up. Have you tried switching the stem > direction manually and then applying Patterson Beams? That might change > things. > > Good luck. > > > > Abel Korzeniowski wrote: > > I've found a strange behavior: > > > > if you have two beamed eight notes, laying respectively > > on the 2nd and 4th line (example A), > > Finale stems this figure down, which is preferable. > > > > A: > > -------------------- > > -------------O------ > > -------------------- > > ------O------------- > > -------------------- > > > > > > now, try to make a chord out of the second eight, > > adding a note on the 3rd line (example B). > > Finale stems it up! -- which is incorrect, as the majority > > of notes, should weight stems DOWN. ...or am I wrong? > > > > B: > > -------------------- > > -------------O------ > > -------------O------ > > ------O------------- > > -------------------- > > > > In itself, this would make not a big deal, but... > > that kind of symmetrical groups is > > IMMUNIZED TO PATTERSON BEAMS! > > i.e. the plugin can't touch their beam angle. _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
