Hi Darcy

Yes I'd thought about going down that avenue. Purists would baulk at having little 8s on clefs for piccolos and basses, but using the clef designer to hide these, as you suggest, solves that issue.

I suppose my ideal solution would be to to have these options:

* Display in transposed pitch
* Display in concert pitch
* Display in concert pitch (octave transpositions excepted)

My reason for writing about this issue was that Finale does not by default have a straightforward setup for music writers who write in C but follow the usual conventions for octave-transpositions. In my experience this is becoming more and more the norm in all walks of musical life.

Regards
John

On 5 Oct 2005, at 02:51, Darcy James Argue wrote:

John,

I use octave-transposing clefs (for instance, the sub-8 bass clef for contrabass, or the super-8 treble clef for piccolo), with the staff transposition set to replace those clefs with the usual ones (and apply the appropriate transposition, of course) on the extracted part.

I personally think it's good practice to use sub-8 and super-8 clefs for octave-transposing instruments in concert pitch scores, since they are often ambiguous otherwise -- some composers who use concert pitch scores do *not* write all octave-transposing instruments at their transposed pitches, and instead have scores with a mess of ledger lines in the piccolo, glock, and contrabass parts.

However if you prefer, you can use my method without the sub- or super-8 clefs -- just use the clef designer to create a clef that looks just like, e.g., a regular treble clef, but sounds 8va.

- Darcy
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On 04 Oct 2005, at 9:35 PM, John Bell wrote:


In concert pitch scores, common practice is to write all octave- transposing instruments at their transposed pitches. Out-of -the- box, Finale will render these extracted parts in the wrong octave, so the obvious remedy is to go through the instrument.txt file in Component Files and change the transposition to zero for all of these instruments (not an arduous task). For playback to be correct, some strategy such as an invisible expression then needs to be used.

I wonder how many Finale users like the status quo, or whether perhaps many might prefer the default to be that these instruments were treated as non-transposing. I would be surprised if, for example, a lot of people find it normal to write glockenspiel parts 2 octaves above their written pitch.

Regards
John
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