At 11:42 AM 3/8/06 -0500, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
>Unfortunately, no.  Windows app contains windows within an application
>instance even though actual process instances are independent (both are
>backward each other between Mac and Win), which makes Mac user envy. 
>Mac OS doesn't have this function because menu is reserved outside of
>window.  You can only take the entire screen hostage, like Tracktion
>does, which is more a troublesome when you have other floating windows.

Now I get it. When I'm working in an application, I've come to expect all
its tools and options and documents available along with the application. I
never would have thought to go outside the window for menu items that apply
to an application. But I've gotten used to this method. I would guess that
a Mac user would always expect the tools to be in the same place, at the
top of the screen. Interesting. It's like having a tool chest vs. a
portable tool box. They have different kinetic and mental memory advantages.

How does Mac handle that on multiple screens? Does it stretch the menu
across them both? Or do you have to move back to the main screen when
accessing the menu for an app you're using on a second screen? Or does it
have two menus, or move the menu to the appropriate screen? (I'm now very
spoiled by having two monitors, so either I can stretch a score across for
a big scroll, or have my HTML editor and browser on separate screens.)

On topic: Finale's glissandi shapes only appear on the main monitor (in
2K5). Any glissandi that should be showing in the second monitor are
overlain on the main monitor. Anybody else have a setup with 2 monitor
that's seen this? Glissandi aren't that commonplace, but on a score I was
doing a few days ago, there were several dozen per page. I had to drag the
scroll back to one screen to work on it.

>Come to think of this, is it not weird IE/Win doesn't do this?  It's
>like Mac apps.  You can't have child windows within parent one, like you
>do in Finale and Office.

I never use IE so don't know its conventions (I use Firefox, and it has
tabs). But with Finale, you can drag toolbars, but not the documents
themselves, outside the main window.

I dislike little floating windows a lot. The Adobe applications for Windows
have all these little un-dockable toolbars that I'm constantly having to
move out of the way. They can be moved to a second screen, but they can't
ever be fully docked (in other words, if the application is maximized, a
document always falls *underneath* them, not matter where they're put --
unless they're dragged to a second monitor).

Very interesting!

Dennis


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