Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 31.05.2006 Andrew Stiller wrote:
It seems to me that until about 1800 or a little later repeats were _normally_ done in the Da Capo.... However, I have yet to see a performing part from that period where anyone made a note of not playing repeats in the Da Capo.

I cannot give an exact citation, but I am quite certain that I have seen scores (more than one) by Boccherini with the instruction "D.C. senza replica."


Sorry, I wasn't exactly clear in what I meant: What you are saying is not unusual, and I believe I have also seen it in Boccherini. However, I'd like to see an 18th century handwritten marking in a performing part, where a performer has made a decision to not play the repeat, and marked such in the part. This would indicate that there was a liberality. If such markings do not exist I very much doubt that such a liberal practice could possibly have been in place, this would imo mean that at least as far as orchestras go any marked repeat would always have been played, because the confusion otherwise would have been disasterous.

Johannes

Unless there was no confusion because the practice of omitting the repeats on the D.C. was so widely known that everybody did it and nobody ever got confused. :-)

The absence of handwritten indications is not proof that the repeats were taken on the D.C. It might just indicate that the practice was so widespread and commonly known that nobody needed to write it down. Just as modern AABA songs which don't take the repeat on the D.C. have no written indication not to take the repeat on the D.C. Or are you saying that such obviously AABA structures should be played AABAA since there isn't any written indication not to observe the repeat on the D.C.?

A lack of handwritten indication that 8ths in modern jazz band notation are supposed to be swung doesn't mean they should be played straight.

If a certain tradition is widely understood, there's no need to write anything down.

And this discussion is great proof that in 200 years, when people dig out the music of the Duke Ellington or Stan Kenton or Count Basie orchestras, there will be a whole PhD dissertation war on whether the 8ths should be swung or straight, and what degree of swing they should have.

It's nice to know that our era will be leaving behind a wealth of inconsistent notation to keep future generations of musicologists in business. That is, if they can ever get beyond investigating performance practices of the 1700s. :-)

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