At 12:41 PM 5/26/2007, Andrew Stiller wrote:

>IMO the cultural shift has been in the opposite direction. The
>fundamental antipathy among ordinary Americans toward classical music
>has its origins in the country's founding. In the 18th c., almost all
>classical music was commissioned by royalty or by the established
>church--both of which are outlawed in the US constitution. The American
>people, therefore, came to view this music as inherently elitist. By
>extension, its practitioners came to be regarded as effeminate, which
>is why Ives was so defensive about the matter, and also is one reason
>why such a high percentage of American composers 1890-1970 have been
>gay.

This is the most interesting opinion I have heard since the discussion started.

I think I agree with it a lot.

Also, I was unaware that American composers are gay.

>Prior to 1960, most Americans lived their entire lives without ever
>experiencing and opera, a ballet, or a symphony. TV has changed all
>that--and over the course of my lifetime I have definitely seen other
>forms of improvement that make the current situation, dismal as it is,
>much better than what it has been. I cannot, for example, imagine any
>American boy nowadays being denounced as a "fairy" because he played
>the clarinet.

But when did this change?

I got that very comment in 1957.

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