Given the amount of research Shifrin has done, together with the music of the Dvorak 8th symphony (quite nonidomatic for slide trombone) and other Dvorak excerpts, I'll accept it, at least until your paper comes out. <g>

(BTW, is the "slide trombone specialist ... named a permanent instructor" in 1903 the one that Shifrin mentioned as teaching a year and then committing suicide?)


All that matters, in this case, was what instrument was in Dvorak's head. That's hard to determine, but fun to try.


For me, this all has bearing on the extremely unusual trombone writing in the Janacek _Sinfonietta_, written decades later but still a great challenge on slide trombones. If it were written for three or four of the four-valve Bb valve instruments, the parts would make much more sense.

John Howell wrote:

Hi, Christopher (and Ray). If only these question were that simple! Certainly the information on the Czech Conservatory is strong, but only if one assumes that (a) all symphony trombonists (or other instrumentalists) were hired out of that Conservatory and none were hired from other countries (unproven); and (b) that between 1860, when slide trombone was no longer banned from the Conservatory, and 1903, when a slide trombone specialist was named a permanent instructor, no one else was teaching slide trombone technique, perhaps as what we would call an adjunct. Which actually seems unlikely, given that the Czech Philharmonic started using slide trombones in 1896, and used them exclusively from 1901. And there also seems to be an assumption that Dvorák composed exclusively for that orchestra, which I suspect was definitely NOT the case, and a question of whether musicians in other orchestras in other countries would even have considered what the Praguers thought was proper!!

Facts are such messy things, but they do make a musicologist's life interesting! This brief article (and thanks for the link) speaks not to the question of alto trombones, but to that of slide vs. valve trombones, but it's well worth knowing about for those interested in organology (which contrary to Mr. Shifrin's surprise is the accepted term used quite widely in musicological circles).

(And in passing, are we correct in using the terms "Czech" Conservatory and Philharmonic, given that Czechoslovakia did not exist until it was created out of Bohemia and Moravia after WW I, and the "Czech Republic" is an invention of the late '80s or early '90s? What were they called in Dvorák's lifetime?)

John



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