[I'm resending this to the list because the previous attempt seems 
not to want to deliver, possibly because it was sent to 
fin...@lists.shsu.edu instead of fin...@shsu.edu]

On 4 Feb 2009 at 14:44, Howey, Henry wrote:

> I just got it to work;-)
> 
> I had tried to place it as a note expression; however, I did get it to
> work as an articulation'-)

That, of course, raises another question (why doesn't it work as an 
expression?), but I'm glad you got it working.

I'm working with old versions of Finale (and files that started life 
in Finale 2.1), so I have never had automatic placement of 
expressions, so would never have contemplated anything but using an 
articulation.

I fear that the future of Finale is to completely eliminate any 
distinction between articulations and expressions, and I think that 
would be a huge mistake. First off, for playback definition, it would 
require the addition of a "this note only/starting with this note" 
option, or complete reliance on Human Playback to give you what you 
wanted.  

Secondly, I think it's a useful conceptual distinction. Without it, I 
don't think I ever would have noticed that in Viennese music from the 
1790s to the 1820s "f" is used both as a dynamic marking (i.e., like 
an expression, takes effect where it's placed and continues on) and 
as an accent (i.e., an articulation that applies only to the note 
it's attached to). Here's an example from the piece where I first 
discovered it:  

http://dfenton.com/Midi/index.php?stem=Eberl18&last=4&current=3&mvt=3

Now, of course, now that I know this, I could easily put it in 
appropriately distinguishing dynamic markings (which apply from where 
they are placed) from accents (which apply to the note to which they 
are attached), but it was the process of thinking about 
distinguishing the two in performance (as opposed to just graphically 
placing symbols on the page) and the process in Finale that was 
necessary to implement that distinction that brought me to an 
important realization about music notation in the period.  

Sure, I could have figured it out, but I think it's a distinction 
that has great musical use, even if the two classes of objects to 
overlap to a great degree in terms of implementation of the UI for 
placing them. 

But I'm certain I'll lose this argument in the long run. :(

-- 
David W. Fenton                    http://dfenton.com
David Fenton Associates       http://dfenton.com/DFA/

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