On 25 Mar 2010 at 11:40, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

> Again, most list things I have seen that have moved to a Blog or Forum
> format have withered to a shadow of their former selves, or pretty
> much died off.
> 
> How is manually checking a website faster than email? Email is pretty
> instant. 

I agree with this. Indeed, the advantage of the blog is precisely 
that it's *not* instant -- it doesn't interrupt the flow by coming 
into your inbox frequently throughout the day. For someone who 
doesn't work at the computer all day, or how subscribes to the Finale 
list on their home email accounts, this is not a problem. But for the 
person like me who makes my living sitting at a computer, Finale 
messages coming in trigger my email notifier, and it's a potential 
interruption in my work flow. I can't turn off the notifier, as I 
need it for my work emails, but my email client doesn't allow me 
selective notification (I don't know if any email clients do so -- it 
would be a nice feature to be able to turn off notifications for 
certain FROM addresses).

Now, there are workarounds, such as subscribing to the Finale list on 
an account that is not downloaded automatically, but I've chosen to 
not do that for simplicity's sake. 

A blog would never have that aspect of interruption, unless you're 
subscribed to the blog's newsfeed and display the newsfeed results in 
your email client. In that case, you're back where you started with 
the mailing list being a potential unwanted interruption, and are 
fully in control of whether or not you set it up that way.

> I would agree that the archives perhaps could be better in
> how you find stuff, but people rarely search the archives. The
> generally ask the same question again, regardless of if there was a
> post 2 years ago on how to do it. I know, I find this all the time on
> my Wordpress sites....people don't use the search but will ask the
> same question.....

I would second this. I've participated in all sorts of forums for 
over 15 years and the one thing that is a given is that nobody reads 
the FAQs or searches the archives -- they just ask the question 
again.

That does raise an issue, seems to me:

Something that *would* be useful as an adjunct to (not a replacement 
for) the Finale mailing list would be a Finale Wiki that could serve 
as a FAQ. That could be collaboratively edited so that the topics 
could continually improve, and if you use something like WikiMedia 
(the platform used by Wikipedia), you can have discussions attached 
to each topic.

This is something I'd gladly set up, though I'm not sure I can host 
it (it would likely generate additional traffic that could bump my 
hosting costs above what I'm already paying).

> Wordpress does not really fit a good, vibrant discussion list. Nor
> does forum software.

I don't think blogging software works, but I don't see why forum 
software wouldn't. I'd certainly point out all the ways in which the 
existing web-based forum software is problematic and inferior to a 
mailing list, but that's not to say it's not a good fit. There are 
lots of vibrant communities out there that use forum software (I can 
name three technical forums that I participate in regularly, for 
instance). I agree that web-based forum software is not the best 
interface and is inferior to the simplicity and granularity of a 
mailing list. But it's not a fact that forum software can't host 
"good, vibrant" discussions.

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> So, in theory what you propose sounds interesting, but in reality, it
> doesn't really offer anything better or easier. If you want to suggest
> something, maybe suggest something about making the archives easier to
> search since that is the real issue you are having.

I think that's the key. Suggesting switching to blogging software is 
a proposed solution, but we originally didn't know for certain what 
the problem is that it's designed to solve. I've already addressed 
those issues today, and I don't think a blog would solve those 
problems at all, and even if they did, would do so at the sacrifice 
of a lot of useful functionality.

-- 
David W. Fenton                    http://dfenton.com
David Fenton Associates       http://dfenton.com/DFA/

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