At 2:46 PM -0400 6/14/12, David H. Bailey wrote:
>
>On the other hand, if there are multiple groups of people working for an
>organization, they are pluralized to be "staffs."  Again for the use of
>the word "staff" as a wooden stick, the plural is "staffs."  So why, if
>the singular for a line of music is a "staff" isn't the plural "staffs?"


Usage.  Period.  Which is how ALL words--regular 
or irregular--grow and change.  And the present 
discussion is part of that process.  When I 
directed a show ensemble we had a performing 
staff, a technical staff, and a public relations 
staff:  three staffs.

>
>And thinking about the plural for those pieces of wood shaped to form a
>barrel, they are called "staves" and the singular is called "stave" as
>in "a barrel stave."


Quite right.  I guess coopers never bothered to 
talk with musicians.  For that matter, I wonder 
why a bunch of lines scribed across a page came 
to be called a "staff" in the first place!

What about self defense?  I know a quarter staff 
is called that, but what's it a quarter OF?!! 
And isn't a length of wood used by a hiker (and 
available for self defense at need) sometimes 
referred to as a stave?

One of the most interesting things about English 
is its profound ILLogic, since it developed out 
of Anglo Saxon and other stuff among the lower 
classes when Latin was the language of the Church 
and education, and Norman French was the language 
of government and the ruling class, so nobody 
paid any attention to it!  And it's been 
borrowing words and mispronouncing them ever 
since.

>
>Since we're on lexicography, can anybody explain why sharps, flats and
>naturals are called "accidentals?"


Another interesting question, and perhaps only 
used in English?  The New Grove I article defines 
the term and gives the equivalents in several 
languages for sharps, flats, and naturals, but 
does not speculate on the derivation of the word. 
(I wonder whether the OED might go further?)

The USE dates from Guido d'Arezzo in about AD 
1030, although he only recognized one variable 
note, B, which could be notated as either a "soft 
b" (a rounded lower case b) or a "hard b" (a 
squared off b, which later sprouted a few extra 
stems and became our signs for BOTH the sharp and 
the natural).  But if I were starting from 
scratch (which we can never do with language), 
I'd be inclined to call the temporary alterations 
"incidentals" rather than "accidentals."  I 
wonder whether it grew out of the fact that a 
knowledge of musica ficta required making 
chromatic alterations that were not indicated in 
the notation itself?

One thing I've learned about musical terminology is never to expect logic!

John


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