Max Horn wrote:
Thanks it helps much. Actually, I was kind of expecting that the Apple JVM would be tighly coupled with OS X Gui rendering stuff. I do not get why a slightly modified jvm version could not display its windows using X11 instead. We would not need Cocoa at all in this case, would we ? On windows, displaying java application with X does seem to make sense for a bunch of people (http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2002-08/msg00126.html). So why not on Apple ?At 11:15 Uhr -0400 07.11.2002, Pierre Radermecker wrote:Hello,
I have been currently using Fink 0.4.1 with OS X 10.1.5. It is great !
My concern is about the java jvm. One of the reason why I am using OS X over linux ppc is because of its superior jvm (JIT is not available on linux for ppc).
Unfortunately, many java applications cannot deal with the apple menu bar. That makes the gui looks quite unconfortable. I would indeed prefer to get all my java applications running on X11. Unfortunately when I start them from Fink its switches to the Aqua Desktop automatically.
Of course it switches... The Apple JVM is based on OS X technologies, not X11. And quite frankly, it wouldn't make any sense to base it on X11 as you only would add a nother layer of indirection: Swing using X11 windows to display its windows, which in turn would use Cocoa Windows to display...
I am not quite found of the Aqua look anyway.
You can change the default look and feel of Swing back to the metal variant (the default swing look and feel). Try googling for "javax.swing.plaf.metal.MetalLookAndFeel
That won't help me. The apple menu bar will be there for nothing filling valuable space. I don't believe there is a way to get rid of the apple menu bar, is it ? Would be nice. As you see I am not a mac addicted ;-)
So if I could get everything running on Darwin and X11 that would be really nice. Upgrading to Jaguar is anyway far too expensive.
So here is my question:
Can I get the apple jvm outside MacOS X. Will I get it if I upgrade to Darwin 6.0.2 and the upcoming Fink release.
No. Apple's JVM is owned by Apple, so not under the control of Fink. And AFAIK it isn't shipped with Darwin either.
Max
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