The purpose of his research is poorly stated; it has been much better stated in other releases. This is not aimed at being a national database. The collections he is using are basically just that; PGPD's evidence guns, and the FBIs library, which is just that, a research library.
The purpose of his activity is not to try to establish a database for registration. Rather it is to provide a statistical base for firearms examiners to refer to. As with all criminalistics, firearms examination is under fire from a segment of the criminal defense community, theoretical scientists, and an amalgam of persons looking to disprove any criminalistic field. His intent is to establish a research tool which will provide examiners hard numbers to,pr sent in court as to statistical basis for comparisons by examiners. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 23, 2016, at 3:00 PM, firearmsregprof-requ...@lists.ucla.edu wrote: > > Send Firearmsregprof mailing list submissions to > firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > firearmsregprof-requ...@lists.ucla.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > firearmsregprof-ow...@lists.ucla.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Firearmsregprof digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: "fingerprints" on bullets and cartridge cases (Olson, .) > 2. RE: "fingerprints" on bullets and cartridge cases (Phil) > 3. Re: "fingerprints" on bullets and cartridge cases (Guy Smith) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:44:39 -0500 > From: "Olson, ." <jol...@hamline.edu> > To: Henry Schaffer <h...@unity.ncsu.edu> > Cc: firearmsregprof <firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu> > Subject: Re: "fingerprints" on bullets and cartridge cases > Message-ID: > <caomejo54zo8xhrb+ptqkl44ejugaocwbeqrgsiheewnfpy+...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Sales of stainless steel brushes will go up. Creating of a data base is no > big deal. Reliability and actual uniqueness are. BIG deals > . > >> On Friday, July 22, 2016, Henry Schaffer <h...@unity.ncsu.edu> wrote: >> >> These are referred to as "tool marks" - and this article is on an >> apparently successful effort to construct a database of these which can be >> expanded nationwide. The article is all about the mechanics of establishing >> a standard for cataloging these in a data base and on initial efforts to >> bring in data. >> >> The forensics and the reliability are barely mentioned. Important >> questions such as how the fingerprints change over the life of the firearm >> (e.g. wear and tear on the barrel, or even barrel replacement) aren't >> covered. However I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot more attention paid >> in the near future to acquiring such data and using it in investigations. >> >> >> http://www.ien.com/product-development/blog/20828760/building-a-firearms-toolmark-database >> >> --henry schaffer >> > > > -- > ******************************************************************************************************************** > Professor Joseph Olson, J.D.(*Honors,* Duke), Ll.M (Florida) > Office 651-695-7674| > Hamline University School of Law (Emeritus) > Fax: 651-290-6426 > Mitchell-Hamline School of Law (Emeritus & Adjunct) > C*ell 612-865-7956* > jol...@hamline.edu <jol...@hamliine.edu> [primary] *or* > joe.ol...@mitchellhamline.edu [secondary] > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/private/firearmsregprof/attachments/20160722/fb636ca4/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:57:28 -0400 > From: Phil <maryland_al...@yahoo.com> > To: Henry Schaffer <h...@unity.ncsu.edu>, firearmsregprof > <firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu> > Subject: RE: "fingerprints" on bullets and cartridge cases > Message-ID: <95286.60795...@smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Tried and failed in MD. > > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Henry Schaffer" <h...@unity.ncsu.edu> > Sent: ?7/?22/?2016 2:52 PM > To: "firearmsregprof" <firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu> > Subject: "fingerprints" on bullets and cartridge cases > > These are referred to as "tool marks" - and this article is on an apparently > successful effort to construct a database of these which can be expanded > nationwide. The article is all about the mechanics of establishing a standard > for cataloging these in a data base and on initial efforts to bring in data. > > > > The forensics and the reliability are barely mentioned. Important questions > such as how the fingerprints change over the life of the firearm (e.g. wear > and tear on the barrel, or even barrel replacement) aren't covered. However I > wouldn't be surprised to see a lot more attention paid in the near future to > acquiring such data and using it in investigations. > > http://www.ien.com/product-development/blog/20828760/building-a-firearms-toolmark-database > > > --henry schaffer > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/private/firearmsregprof/attachments/20160722/0b19ccd6/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:42:59 -0700 > From: Guy Smith <g...@gunfacts.info> > To: Henry Schaffer <h...@unity.ncsu.edu>, firearmsregprof > <firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu> > Subject: Re: "fingerprints" on bullets and cartridge cases > Message-ID: > <15618da5cb8.2755.25197e6069baea6fccc7a7762f0f4...@gunfacts.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" > > <grin> I once told Chuck Michel about a "ballistic recalibration tool" > designed to defeat "ballistic finger printing" and that they sold them at > Home Depot for $5.95. Then I handed him a needle file. > > Regardless of mechanical efficacy, such systems rely on a national database > to turn a data warehouse into a policing tool. Even among self-declared > Independent voters, national registration is polled as a non-starter ... > never mind the Republican/Libertarian blocks. > > To 2A objections though, I remain unclear that the arguments against are > solid. Registration and tracking are a potential danger and a steep part of > a slippery slope, but not an outright infringement. > > >> On July 22, 2016 11:52:19 AM Henry Schaffer <h...@unity.ncsu.edu> wrote: >> >> These are referred to as "tool marks" - and this article is on an >> apparently successful effort to construct a database of these which can be >> expanded nationwide. The article is all about the mechanics of establishing >> a standard for cataloging these in a data base and on initial efforts to >> bring in data. >> >> The forensics and the reliability are barely mentioned. Important questions >> such as how the fingerprints change over the life of the firearm (e.g. wear >> and tear on the barrel, or even barrel replacement) aren't covered. However >> I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot more attention paid in the near future >> to acquiring such data and using it in investigations. >> >> http://www.ien.com/product-development/blog/20828760/building-a-firearms-toolmark-database >> >> --henry schaffer >> >> >> >> ---------- >> _______________________________________________ >> To post, send message to Firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see >> http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof >> >> Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as >> private. 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