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From: "David T. Hardy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: [inbox] Re: Silveira and Roy Lucas


> I wonder if a better approach would be to treat Miller as just being
> somewhat underinclusive, as might be expected with a case briefed
> only by one side. That is, it emphasized what leaps into mind on a

And even then,  the government's brief picked highly atypical decisions.
Much of the reasoning of Miller comes out of Aymette--a very atypical
19th century case--and even on this, Aymette recognized that the right
was individual.  The recent 9th Circuit decision on Silveira makes the
same mistake--citing Aymette as a precedent, but failing to recognize
that Aymette found that the right was individual (even if for a collective
purpose), and that only military style weapons were protected.

> facial skim of the Amendment ... collective defense, militia. That is
> a big aspect, but the historical research of the last 20 years
> indicates there was also a personal protection aspect, one emphasized
> by Amar's 14th amendment research. So it's not a question of
> rejecting Miller or accepting it, but rather of creating
> "Miller-plus" standards.

Agreed.  One of the errors of Miller was to focus on militia purposes, and
ignore the English tradition of a right to self-defense.  Of course, if the
objective of Miller was to uphold the federal law to show subservience to
the Roosevelt Administration (to stop any more discussion of court-packing),
then this wasn't a mistake, so much as a calculated effort to stay on FDR's
good side.

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