Okay, I see. It's wildly off-topic for the list, and I'm not in the position to affect any of it, so I'll make not too long a reply.
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014, at 01:12 PM, Jonas Smithson wrote: No, it's not okay. It's part of the general trend of over-simplifying everything to cater to the mass audience, and screw the geeks and the content creators. Mozilla needs users, so of course it tries to cater to the mass audience. Though from what I've heard they've also tried to make customization simple (for the same mass audience), and I haven't seen them limit what addons can do, so in theory geeks should be fine also. Modulo compatibility concerns, as you mention. The arrogance of Mozilla is stunning. They seem to think there's something special about Firefox itself -- but actually the only thing that's special about it is the amazing extensions ecosystem, which Moz itself does not create, and which Moz's behavior often breaks. Many of those extensions (including most of the ones I rely on) need a status bar and custom toolbars and menus... you know, visible furniture. And also there's no way I'm going to use a browser that crams the address bar, bookmarks, icons, whatever into a single cramped bar at the top in the name of some misplaced "minimalism." AFAIK toolbars have not been removed, only the addon bar has. (And the addon bar wasn't very nice anyway, it had the wrong height and a "close" button.) And from personal experience most things have continued to work. For the things that break I suspect it's mostly because maintaining backward compatibility is hard, not because of arrogance. (There has traditionally not even existed an API for toolbars/toolbar buttons, etc., addons have just had to do their own random DOM modifications to the chrome (often by XUL overlays). Australis introduces one, so with luck we could expect breakage and addon conflicts to reduce somewhat in that area in the future.) I don't want to rely on extensions for something as basic as toolbars. (I think you have to, sorry. On the plus side they will probably be better and more customizable than the addon bar. I do know that Australis has a new API for "add customization area", so they're explicitly designing for it.) I know, but very addon I add -- and I use many -- complicates keeping the whole show running. New incompatibilities crop up. Moz breaks stuff. I have to spend a lot of time testing every new update because of all the interactions. I feel for you. :/ For the second error, can you post a link to some page online where that message can be reproduced, and somewhat more detailed instructions? It sounds like it's something like Firebug trying to copy styles from the page and failing because of CSS oddities, which isn't anything to worry about at all but clearly still ought to be fixed if possible. Unfortunately I can't, because it's running on a development server (not on the Internet) and the project hasn't been made public yet. I can tell you that those weird errors don't appear from the identical pages when viewed in the Windows 7 versions of Firefox and Firebug. They only appear on the Mac -- same pages, coming off the same development server, same behavior on my part (clicking page components with Firebug's Inspect Element tool). Of course, since Mac FF is my main development environment, I have far more extensions installed there, so it's possible this is some kind of extension interaction, in which case I'll probably never track it down. This all seems to be going downhill fast. Okay. It might not be a very common error then, so I'd just recommend trying to live with it. Write a user stylesheet for hiding it if you care enough. ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Firebug" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/firebug. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/firebug/1393108398.17965.86580429.26C71941%40webmail.messagingengine.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
