The two of you, in the parking lot, ten rounds, last one standing can close
the thread.  This is nuts!!!

At least the "blanket-invitation to hack a site" thread pertained to the
list's subject!

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> From:         peter pajak[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent:         Monday, November 08, 1999 2:59 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:      RE: *This is a rant* RE: unsubscribing ? hate this industry.
> spe cial ly to Susan
> 
> all right wise ass (hope spelling is correct), sice you're so educated and
> 
> your spelling is so correct tell me why can't you build the proper
> sentece. 
> i guess that must be a typo. so, it seems to me that some of us are more 
> talented in math, while others in social science. also i must add, that
> some 
> others are completely missing sence of humour which makes them grumpy, 
> miserable boring people like yourself. you must be one of the HR types or 
> floor walkers who can't live with a smile. go back home and read some 
> dilbert stuff, sorry it may be too late for you.
> 
> later,
> 
> peter
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Grimes, Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "'firewalls lists'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: *This is a rant* RE: unsubscribing  ? hate this industry.
> spe 
> >cial ly to Susan
> >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:15:30 -0600
> >
> >To Hill and Pajak:
> >
> >Have either one of you ever passed a basic English grammar and spelling
> >test? Neither one of you have ever made mistakes ... ever? Reading
> through
> >your posts revealed to me that neither one of you have yet mastered even 
> >the
> >most basic concepts of sentence structure and use of the English
> language.
> >Since this forum is communicated in written form, it makes sense that one
> >develop a command of the written word.
> >
> >Hill, if you are at least a little bit intelligent, why don't you learn
> how
> >to spell intelligent before using it in a sentence. While you're at it,
> >learn to spell loser, because as a participant in the human race you will
> >need to refer to this word frequently.
> >
> >Pajak, what is "you see, some of us are just not politically correct and
> we
> >don't really
> >care to be ones."? I guess you are correct, there just isn't a nice way
> to
> >tell someone that they are a stupid idiot!
> >
> >Now didn't that diatribe help to encourage you to become more educated in
> >the use of the English language? Or does it just piss you off? I hope
> >neither one of have any children. You see, both of you missed an 
> >opportunity
> >to help and encourage someone. Instead you allowed pride and selfishness
> to
> >prevail in your lives. Maybe you do work well with machines, but there is
> 
> >no
> >substitute for friends, family and respect. Try next time to be real 
> >leaders
> >and help those in need. Just maybe, someday, you too will require a
> helping
> >hand or even just a kind word of encouragement.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Hill, Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 5:45 PM
> >To: 'Susan Kerschbaumer'; peter pajak
> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: *This is a rant* RE: unsubscribing ? hate this industry.
> >special ly to Susan
> >
> >
> >You said...
> >  It's people like you that make me hate this industry. We are not 
> >machines.
> >  We are not computers. We are human beings. We make mistakes. We are
> >imperfect.
> >  Be nice. There is a nice way to say what you want to say.
> >  I wouldn't have said anything, but I thought I should make you aware of
> >how you come off to those of us who are on this list who are not arrogant
> >and inconsiderate. Maybe you can learn something.
> >
> >I reply..
> >1) The information is at the tail of every message he got.
> >2) he chose to subscribe
> >3) when he chose, the info was there
> >4) this sort of responce in normal in a very highly technical group
> >5) the person this was aimed at used a professional title, (and is
> expected
> >to be able to read)
> >6) this sort of 'unfriendlyness' is normal to ANY outsider in ANY
> industry.
> >(try asking questions to a med)
> >7) If you don't love the tech., live breath and eat the tech., you are in
> >the wrong business, go into sales.
> >8) DON'T SPAM THE CHANNEL WITH NON-Firewall CHATTER!!
> >9) If you are in FIREWALL, you are not a human being, you are on call
> 7x24,
> >you eat SPAM and PING storms, you live to kill the damn packet storms,
> and
> >you know that everyone in your office just wants to download .megs
> >
> >I went to school to study 'this industry', so I would know what I was 
> >doing.
> >I've been working in 'this industry' since 1980, and I still love every
> >minute that I am away from the lusers, and inside of the machine.  To
> keep
> >up to date, I have to keep up my studies.  This is one place that I can 
> >know
> >what is the lastest features/bugs. I don't feel like wading through
> FLUFF.
> >(I did that in my BBS days, and when I tried m$ manuals)
> >
> >Again, if you are at least a little intellegent, most of the best in
> 'this
> >industry' will give you the code off their PALMS, just don't ask them to
> >comment it for you.  That is an exercise for the pupil.  But don't ask
> them
> >to be friendly, they are giving you what they can afford, knowledge.  Go 
> >ask
> >a salesman for a pretty pile of words.
> >
> >
> >of course, Richard Drennan should have sent his message in private, but
> it
> >was rather amusing.
> >-
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