hey rafi,
who the hell asked you for your 2 cents, this is our conflict so we (i
should say i) don't need any bloody outsiders to put their dirty feet in.
better watch you own ass not to be kicked by palestinian brothers before you
stick it into other people affairs. and who cares about non-us users, they
(us-chums)are those who invented internet so they have right to expect
proper english to be used here.
no regards this time,
p.
>From: Rafi Sadowsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Grimes, Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: "'firewalls lists'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: *This is a rant* RE: unsubscribing ? hate this industry. spe
>cial ly to Susan
>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:53:46 +0200 (IST)
>
>Dean
>while the posters may have been rather impolite - you assume that they are
>*native* English speakers
>
> you not have noticed - but the Internet is getting less & less US-centric
>which as a corrolary means that a large percentage of user/admins/whatever
>are NOT english speakers
>
>I suggest you read <http://www.first.org/docs/international_comms.html>
>then read your flame below & apply it to yourself
> before you start a flame-war about English grammar
>
>
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>
>On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Grimes, Dean wrote:
>
> > To Hill and Pajak:
> >
> > Have either one of you ever passed a basic English grammar and spelling
> > test? Neither one of you have ever made mistakes ... ever? Reading
>through
> > your posts revealed to me that neither one of you have yet mastered even
>the
> > most basic concepts of sentence structure and use of the English
>language.
> > Since this forum is communicated in written form, it makes sense that
>one
> > develop a command of the written word.
> >
> > Hill, if you are at least a little bit intelligent, why don't you learn
>how
> > to spell intelligent before using it in a sentence. While you're at it,
> > learn to spell loser, because as a participant in the human race you
>will
> > need to refer to this word frequently.
> >
> > Pajak, what is "you see, some of us are just not politically correct and
>we
> > don't really
> > care to be ones."? I guess you are correct, there just isn't a nice way
>to
> > tell someone that they are a stupid idiot!
> >
> > Now didn't that diatribe help to encourage you to become more educated
>in
> > the use of the English language? Or does it just piss you off? I hope
> > neither one of have any children. You see, both of you missed an
>opportunity
> > to help and encourage someone. Instead you allowed pride and selfishness
>to
> > prevail in your lives. Maybe you do work well with machines, but there
>is no
> > substitute for friends, family and respect. Try next time to be real
>leaders
> > and help those in need. Just maybe, someday, you too will require a
>helping
> > hand or even just a kind word of encouragement.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hill, Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 5:45 PM
> > To: 'Susan Kerschbaumer'; peter pajak
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: *This is a rant* RE: unsubscribing ? hate this industry.
> > special ly to Susan
> >
> >
> > You said...
> > It's people like you that make me hate this industry. We are not
>machines.
> > We are not computers. We are human beings. We make mistakes. We are
> > imperfect.
> > Be nice. There is a nice way to say what you want to say.
> > I wouldn't have said anything, but I thought I should make you aware of
> > how you come off to those of us who are on this list who are not
>arrogant
> > and inconsiderate. Maybe you can learn something.
> >
> > I reply..
> > 1) The information is at the tail of every message he got.
> > 2) he chose to subscribe
> > 3) when he chose, the info was there
> > 4) this sort of responce in normal in a very highly technical group
> > 5) the person this was aimed at used a professional title, (and is
>expected
> > to be able to read)
> > 6) this sort of 'unfriendlyness' is normal to ANY outsider in ANY
>industry.
> > (try asking questions to a med)
> > 7) If you don't love the tech., live breath and eat the tech., you are
>in
> > the wrong business, go into sales.
> > 8) DON'T SPAM THE CHANNEL WITH NON-Firewall CHATTER!!
> > 9) If you are in FIREWALL, you are not a human being, you are on call
>7x24,
> > you eat SPAM and PING storms, you live to kill the damn packet storms,
>and
> > you know that everyone in your office just wants to download .megs
> >
> > I went to school to study 'this industry', so I would know what I was
>doing.
> > I've been working in 'this industry' since 1980, and I still love every
> > minute that I am away from the lusers, and inside of the machine. To
>keep
> > up to date, I have to keep up my studies. This is one place that I can
>know
> > what is the lastest features/bugs. I don't feel like wading through
>FLUFF.
> > (I did that in my BBS days, and when I tried m$ manuals)
> >
> > Again, if you are at least a little intellegent, most of the best in
>'this
> > industry' will give you the code off their PALMS, just don't ask them to
> > comment it for you. That is an exercise for the pupil. But don't ask
>them
> > to be friendly, they are giving you what they can afford, knowledge. Go
>ask
> > a salesman for a pretty pile of words.
> >
> >
> > of course, Richard Drennan should have sent his message in private, but
>it
> > was rather amusing.
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