On Tue, 30 May 2000, Todd wrote:

> the bad news for you is that you need to make sure that your IP space is
> 'portable' (ie:  not inside of someone else's IP allocation) in order to
> get your routes listed with another backbone provider.  Assuming that
> www.envmgr.com is on your network (which is may not be), your IP space
> looks like it is PSIs and not yours.

Every major ISP I've dealt with has been willing to accept routes
advertised from another provider as long as it was pre-arranged.  In fact,
in a post-CIDR world that's exactly the way you're supposed to approach
multi-homing if you're not a service provider yourself.

As long as the originating AS is valid, other ISPs will accept the
advertisment just fine, the catch is in having a Tier-1 provider accept
routes for networks it "owns" from other providers elsewhere in their
backbone.  That takes arranging, but I haven't met a Tier-1 or Tier-2 that
wasn't willing to do it.

> the simple way to find out is to go to the arin page (arin.net) and click
> on the 'whois' link.  put in one of your ip addresses and it will tell you
> if they are portable.  if they are not, you can't get dual homed without
> renumbering.  that might sound like it's ok, but there's another

Yes, you most certainly can dual home with a valid AS and netblocks
smaller than /19s.

> in which case i would suggest switching to an organization that is,
> itself, dual homed.  i work for a medium-sized regional ISP in new mexico

If you think PSI doesn't have more routes, peering agreements and presence
at exchange points than a regional ISP you've got some learning to do.

I always try to multi-home to at least two providers with at least two
wireline carriers and two entry points into the facility.  Even when my
primary wireline carrier gives me dual-pathed SONET.  Sometimes I even try
to cross-home address spaces from both providers to one another under
different ASNs just to completely remove any chance of single-pointedness.
 
> outage to both connections in over 3 years.  if i were a customer of PSI,
> i'd want to know about the latency and the routes disappearing and would
> want to solve that problem.

I'd sure get on PSI, but I'd also get at least one more connection because
it's common sense to get multi-homed these days.

Joe Backhoe Operator is out to get you.

Paul
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