Whatever, in any case I was commenting primarily on your lack of understanding of the 
product and it's level of configurability.  

eric.

On Fri, 02 June 2000, Jamy Klein wrote:

> 
> A true firewall is available from www.tinysoftware.com it's called tiny
> firewall, and has configurable rules/filtering, port blocking, and loggin.
> It's only $29.95. Macafee personal firewall formerly conseal private desktop
> is only $39.95 and is also much better and a true firewall. Zonealarm is
> much better than blackice and it's free.
> 
> So as for getting what you pay for, I disagree. Clearly, better products are
> available for the same price point or free in the case of zonealarm.
> 
> Jamy
> 
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> 
> You can block specific ports with Defender.  As for being a true firewall,
> no it isn't.  But, for the money you get what you pay for.
> 
> eric.
> 
> On Fri, 02 June 2000, Jamy Klein wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Balck Ice defender is not a true firewall.. It's basically intrusion
> > detection.  
> > You can't set access rules, or block specific ports with defender, all the
> > other products listed are true port blockers at the least. In the case of
> > Conseal firewall and winroute tey are even packet filters. Network ice's
> > site even states that it is intrusin detection and not a true firewall.
> > 
> > Jamy
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Subject: Re: Personal Firewalls Summary
> > 
> > 
> > BlackICE Defender is a much more evolved product, than most of them, plus 
> > their documentation even with errors is far superior over the other 
> > products.
> > 
> > The Radio Ads for MacAfee Personal Firewall sounds kindy of cheesy 
> > though..
> > 
> > You really want something that is simple enough for my cat to install
> > 
> > /m
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >         Subject:        Personal Firewalls Summary
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If anyone is interested, here is a summary of the responses I received 
> > after
> > requesting suggestions for Personal Firewalls:
> > 
> > ZoneAlarm (3 recommendations)   http://www.zonelabs.com/
> > McAfee Personal Firewall (Formerly "ConSeal Private Desktop") (3
> > recommendations)   http://www.mcafee.com/
> > BlackICE Defender (2 recommendations)   http://www.networkice.com/
> > WinRoute (1 recommendation)   http://www.tinysoftware.com/
> > CyberwallPLUS (1 recommendation)   http://www.network-1.com/
> > GNAT Box (1 recommendation)   http://www.gnatbox.com/
> > ConSeal PC Firewall (1 recommendation)   http://www.consealfirewall.com/
> > 
> > For the record, I was also pointed to Gibson Research
> > (http://grc.com/default.htm) which has an online tool for testing how
> secure
> > your connection is, and describes a method for adding firewall-like 
> > protection
> > to a Windows computer without actually installing a firewall; and I was 
> > reminded
> > that VPNs and "insecure nodes" are a dangerous combination -- with or 
> > without
> > firewalls.
> > 
> > Thanks again to everyone that responded!
> > 
> > Brant
> > 
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