On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Chris Brenton wrote:
> While I'm not a huge MAPS fan (prefer ORBS myself), I find the prospect
If MAPS loses, ORBS will fall faster, given that they list folks who
block their open relay scanning irregardless of the presence of open
relays. The question becomes what happens if MAPS moves everything
offshore, or if someone creates a meta-MAPS thing offshore using both the
MAPS stuff and their own additions?
> of the above a bit more than scary. To start, yesmail.com *are*
> spammers. We're not talking about some poor admin who has not been able
> to upgrade his version of Sendmail yet and is being used as a relay, we
> are talking about an organization that makes a lot of $$$ ($8.2 million
> last year according to their Web site) by spamming. I've personally
> received spam from Yesmail.com, have tried to opt out, and have been
If you have dates/times and copies, you should forward the info to the
MAPS folks if they want it.
> responded to with a larger amount of spam. So now the bad guys have
> legal backing, oh joy.
No, they have money for lawyers, a TRO is pretty common in such cases,
especially since not blocking yesmail for a few weeks wouldn't necessarily
materially harm the MAPS folk, but would "harm" Yesmail.
> My other concern is that this strikes at the very heart of firewalling.
> The whole concept of firewalling is that we (the Internet community)
> have the right to pick and choose which traffic we will allow into our
> environment. Firewalls are simply a method of implementing that right.
> If Yesmail.com wins their suit, that right becomes threaten as now there
> is legal precedence for having to allow certain traffic into your
> environment.
IMO, it's even more interesting in peering arrangements where someone
might blackhole another provider causing harm to the global routing tables
in conjunction with their other peers.
I can't imagine a scenerio where yesmail has a hope of winning though.
Paul
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