On Fri, 04 Aug 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The only way an IDS product can be selected as the best IDS vendor/system
>
> 1. It is commercially available not in research/development state
not really lot of products are simply a money grab tool and some of the best
work comes from R&&D labs allowing freely available downloads of the product..
> 2. It is actually a shipping product (some other IDS vendors have stated,
> oh yeah we have it in a lab environment on x number of machines) Sorry,
> doesn't count, it actually has to be a real live shipping product ( note:
> does not have to shrink wrapped, shrink wrap just adds a few more cents to
> the packaging, a nice little box with printed documentation/included on the
> CD/ or both, License key driven or not..)
oh so documentation on the big I isn't good enough? c'mon..
> 3. Real companies are drooling over it, not some pie in the sky dreamt up
> stuff, that may or may not work in a real environment.
depends what you consider a "real co" to be.. some time ago dot coms were not?
does that mean they are not real co? dot coms deserve better respect actually
IMHO. how real does it have to be? i would say that if it works on the I well
enough that is real enough for me. actually that is what matters most IMHO.
>
4. It is produced by a real company that is self-funded or VC funded and > one
has a real mailing address not some Mailboxes US address somewhere > (although
those are fun to have if you hiding out from the law or > something, but that
is another post or story to post) >
ok so they have to be bought off is that it by selling out to the highest
bidder? VC can be good or can be really bad IMHO. hmmm... oh i see well
IMHO there are a lot of co that decide to go it on their own.. its called
independent..
5. Magazines actually can be sent eval
copies of the software/hardware and > actually write some critique about it,
not having this, or having this, or > can't do packet dis-assembly, etc.
i see so the trad rag mags need to eval it for it to be respectable huh?
i disagree IMHO the big I is the opinion that counts.. and by that i mean those
that would try a product by a little co with a wee little mascot .. or a tiny
imp.. i remember for one trying to get Linux written about for days b4
the linux mindrush. if Linux had waited for the trad rag mags to get it
together well quite simply we would still be waiting. same with *BSD.
from my experience trad mags are driven by paid advertisements aka
ad victorials..
> 6. Security consultants can moan/whine/bitch about it to the
vendor or > their reseller, and whine and moan about it on some mailing list
sure that is one of the greatest benefits of the I we can all discuss what we
think about something.. diversity tends to do that.. which is a good thing
since sometimes ones perspectives change:-))
> 7. Your IDS product actually gains enough sales/revenue to be on some
> IDC/Forest & Sullivan chart (currently Cisco, and ISS have a major piece of
> the market, with others listed behind.
I i C so unless a product is competing directly w CISC it isn't a product?
again some of the greatest products were born on the I not behind some
tall glass towers somewhere..
> 8. Other vendors have actually heard about it and lob nasty grams saying
> they have more signatures than x or y.
hee..hee..hee AGREED!
> 9. Companies have to either issue hopefully :) a large PO or check to get
> into their security administrators grubby little hands.
..WELL YOU GOT ME THIS TIME;-))
Touche
> /m
>
>
>
> At 09:26 AM 8/4/00 -0600, dreamwvr wrote:
> >hi,
> > this was a attempt at "HUMOUR" since the thread was getting pretty dry..
> >and conflictive. Anyhow it would be a good concept and many
> >of the items i mentioned are definately needed. Well back to it..
> >it could be considered still in R&&D ;-))
> > Best Regards,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >On Fri, 04 Aug 2000, Mark Teicher wrote:
> > > Is BRAIN commercially available or is it still in the research/development
> > > state??
> > >
> > > /m
> > >
> > > At 03:46 AM 8/4/00 -0600, dreamwvr wrote:
> > > >hi,
> > > > I would beg to differ but the best IDS and most scalable is the ..
> > > >[B]inary [R]eflector [A]ntenna [I]nductor [N]etwork /device also
> > > >known as the BRAIN. IMHO "The Best" often never gets beyond
> > > >first base due to lack of time.. mostly. IDS systems need to
> > > >be FLUID to change rather than WAITFUL not to be confused
> > > >with STATEFUL (hi Chris) . If a IDS system is truly to be successful
> > > >it needs most of all to not have to wait for UPGRADES that could have
> > > >been supplied but simply were not for hidden reasons,SERVICE PACKs or
> > > >whatever the vendor decides to call them. Every day i learn something i
> > > >didn't
> > > >know || (forgot) this needs to be inserted into the IDS system so it
> > > >basically
> > > >learns what you learn. IDS is in its infancy as well will see many
> > > >changes. The
> > > >addition of the trad security/alarm co/institution demand it so that they
> > > >can leverage it. (albeit i find that sometimes instead of improving
> > > >it actually takes a step back in time but mostly it forward.) Now
> > > >moving along one takes one gigabyte cable and INSERT in ear..;-))
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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