Ouch!

  Care to name the offending party, so those of us who have a choice 
can avoid it?

David Gillett


On 11 Jun 2001, at 10:05, Crispin Harris wrote:

> One thing about egress filtering which I noted recently.
> 
> If the leaf node is using VPN software, you may be in for a surprise!
> 
> At least one major vendor of VPN client software performs the Virtual
> functions by re-writing the source address of the packet:
> 
> Mobile PC: -A-
> VPN Gateway: -B-
> Protected Server: -C-
> 
> Communicating from -A- to -C- via -B-:
> On A:
> Packet 1:
> SRC: A
> DST: B
> 
> Packet 2:
> SRC: -C-
> DST: B
> 
> This product rewrites the packet so that the gateway sees an incomming
> packet with the final destination as the source!
> (Not very nice eh?)
> 
> Regards,
>       Crispin Harris
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul D. Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2001 11:59 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: This is a must read document. It will freak you out
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > >   Egress filtering at border points is appropriate for leaf 
> > networks. 
> > 
> > Which is exactly what I'm proposing.
> > 
> > >  Many ISPs, though, also ferry third-party traffic between their 
> > > peering points; it would be inappropriate for them to 
> > accept traffic 
> > > that an egress rule elsewhere will prevent them from delivering.
> > 
> > Egress rules don't prevent anything from being delivered if 
> > the egress is 
> > legitimate.
> > 
> > >   This isn't to day that it can't or shouldn't be done, only that 
> > > determining how much filtering should be done, and at which 
> > routers, 
> > > may be less simple for multi-homed ISPs than it sounds.
> > 
> > Once again, I'm stressing that end-user network filtering be the
> > major point of egress filtering, not ISP networks.
> > 
> > ISPs can do fairly easy filtering based on prefixes they transit or
> > announce, but I agree with the contention that the 
> > aggragation of traffic
> > is too much at those points to not affect performance by 
> > filtering in the 
> > transit space. ISP's hosting networks should, of course employ egress
> > filtering, but in that case, they're acting as a leaf node, 
> > not a transit
> > entity.
> > 
> > Paul
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
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> > personal opinions
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