On 8 Jul 2001, at 18:23, Alvin Oga wrote:

> hi ya
> 
> > Something like this:
> > 
> >  Inside---FW with Nat -----router-----------First Provider
> >           to 1st Prov        |
> >           addr space         |
> >                            Traffic natted
> >                            to 2nd provider's
> >                            addr space
> >                              |
> >                              +--------------Second Provider
> 
> I'd try/prefer the following
> 
>            +-------------+
>            |             |
>            |             +-----router--- First Provider
>            |    FW       |
>   Inside---+             |
>            | w/ NAT      |
>            |             +-----router--- Second Provider
>            |             |
>            +-------------+
> 
> if the router or first provider goes down... i can still get
> in and out thru the 2nd provider..
> 
> if i have "autonomous"(?) ip#... both ISPs can route incoming
> and outgoing traffic
> 
> thanx
> alvin

  The issue, I think, is that the poster DOESN'T have an autonomous 
or portable address.  So in this latter arrangement, while he can 
play all sorts of router tricks about which provider a given outbound 
packet gets sent to ("shouldn't" matter, since both providers peer 
with the rest of the Internet), *inbound* traffic only ever comes 
over one link, and when that's down, he's dead.

  An alternative that I've used, besides NAT on the second space, was 
to put a proxy on the second line that then locally accessed stuff 
via the primary addresses.
  That, or the NAT approach, will allow outbound-origin connections 
via the second line.  Where you need either a BGP-able (protable, if 
not actually autonomous) address (OR *possibly* some ugly DNS tricks) 
is if you want inbound-origin traffic to find your hosts even when 
the primary line is down.

David Gillett


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