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>    1. RE: Multi-homed Internet connection ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>    2. Port 6346 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>    3. Re: Ping query (Jose Nazario)
>    4. Re: Netscreen 5XP problem.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>    5. (no subject) (Logan Lemming)
>    6. Re: Netscreen 5XP problem.... (Jose Nazario)
>    7. RE: What is best... (Dan McGinn-Combs)
>    8. RE: What is best... (Zachary Uram)
>    9. Re: Stonegate Firewall ( what do you think? ) (Axel Eble)
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> Message: 1
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:49:47 -0700
> Subject: RE: Multi-homed Internet connection
>
> On 8 Jul 2001, at 18:23, Alvin Oga wrote:
>
> > hi ya
> >
> > > Something like this:
> > >
> > >  Inside---FW with Nat -----router-----------First Provider
> > >           to 1st Prov        |
> > >           addr space         |
> > >                            Traffic natted
> > >                            to 2nd provider's
> > >                            addr space
> > >                              |
> > >                              +--------------Second Provider
> >
> > I'd try/prefer the following
> >
> >            +-------------+
> >            |             |
> >            |             +-----router--- First Provider
> >            |    FW       |
> >   Inside---+             |
> >            | w/ NAT      |
> >            |             +-----router--- Second Provider
> >            |             |
> >            +-------------+
> >
> > if the router or first provider goes down... i can still get
> > in and out thru the 2nd provider..
> >
> > if i have "autonomous"(?) ip#... both ISPs can route incoming
> > and outgoing traffic
> >
> > thanx
> > alvin
>
>   The issue, I think, is that the poster DOESN'T have an autonomous
> or portable address.  So in this latter arrangement, while he can
> play all sorts of router tricks about which provider a given outbound
> packet gets sent to ("shouldn't" matter, since both providers peer
> with the rest of the Internet), *inbound* traffic only ever comes
> over one link, and when that's down, he's dead.
>
>   An alternative that I've used, besides NAT on the second space, was
> to put a proxy on the second line that then locally accessed stuff
> via the primary addresses.
>   That, or the NAT approach, will allow outbound-origin connections
> via the second line.  Where you need either a BGP-able (protable, if
> not actually autonomous) address (OR *possibly* some ugly DNS tricks)
> is if you want inbound-origin traffic to find your hosts even when
> the primary line is down.
>
> David Gillett
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:06:37 -0700
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Port 6346
>
> not running Gnutella 0.56 and I have observed several TCP port probes over
> the last few days.  Is there any way to block these type of scans besides
> out and out port and IP blocking ??
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:07:52 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jose Nazario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Zachary Uram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Ping query
>
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Zachary Uram wrote:
>
> > how can i tell if someone is fingering me?
>
> you can have finger log connections, your kernel (or packet filter) log
> connections, use tcpd to log connections ... any sort of mechanism.
>
> > or if they are using netstat or traceroute on me?
>
> netstat is a local operation. it wont tell you jack about sockets on other
> machines unless you're connected to them. presumably you mean port
> scanning (where they can see what ports are open on a remote machine, ie
> yours). i use scanlogd (http://www.openwall.com/) on Linux and *BSD boxes.
> a good NIDS can also pick up port scans, they're pathetically easy to
> observe.
>
> traceroute is pretty easy, too. look for TTL 1 packets, look for signature
> UDP packets (UNIX traceroute) or TTL=1 ICMP_ECHO_REQUEST packets (from
> Win32 traceroutes). again, a host can log TTl=1 packets, you can listen on
> UDP ports that traceroute would normally hit (see also dettecttr from a
> back issue of phrack).
>
> hope this helps,
>
> ____________________________
> jose nazario      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>            PGP: 89 B0 81 DA 5B FD 7E 00  99 C3 B2 CD 48 A0 07 80
>        PGP key ID 0xFD37F4E5 (pgp.mit.edu)
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> To: "Henrik Grankvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:26:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: Netscreen 5XP problem....
>
>   The thought of combining "VPN" with "transparent mode" makes my
> poor little brain hurt.  It wouldn't surprise me if that combination
> turned out to be not (yet?) supported....
>
> David Gillett
>
>
> On 9 Jul 2001, at 18:05, Henrik Grankvist wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > I'm having some trouble getting a vpn connection to work with NS5XP in
> > transparent mode. I know that it only works with manual keys, and
therefore
> > I have set up a connection using the tutorial from Netscreen.
> >
> > But I can't get it to work, when I for instance ping the internal server
> > (the one that I should protect) it seems like the server can't answer
back
> > to the Netscreen remote computer. I have discovered this by analysing
the
> > packets that are in transit behind the NS5XP I get icmp error messages
host
> > unreachable from the inside..
> >
> > The rules that I'm using is as follows:
> >
> > outbound; Inside any , outside any, permit.
> >
> > inbound: 1 Dialup-VPN, private server, tunnel.
> >    2 Outside any, inside any, deny.
> >
> >
> > Here is the physical configuration:
> >
> > NS_Remote <------->  NS5XP (in transparent mode)  <------> Plain text
server
> >
> > I really hope that someone knows something about this problem and could
give
> > me som info on the subject......
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Henrik Grankvist
> > Student
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Firewalls mailing list
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://lists.gnac.net/mailman/listinfo/firewalls
> >
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:34:25 -0700
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:50:47 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jose Nazario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Henrik Grankvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Netscreen 5XP problem....
>
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >   The thought of combining "VPN" with "transparent mode" makes my poor
> > little brain hurt.  It wouldn't surprise me if that combination turned
> > out to be not (yet?) supported....
>
> > On 9 Jul 2001, at 18:05, Henrik Grankvist wrote:
>
> > > I'm having some trouble getting a vpn connection to work with NS5XP in
> > > transparent mode. I know that it only works with manual keys, and
therefore
> > > I have set up a connection using the tutorial from Netscreen.
>
> sorry, i'm not familiar with the term 'transparent mode' as it applies to
> the Netscreen product, but if it means 'only configured at layer 2, ie a
> filtering bridge' then i know i understand you.
>
> you can't do IPSec VPNs with a layer 2 device, it requires layer 3 (IP)
> manipulations (encapsulation, packet header mangling, etc ...), along with
> endpoint addressing (for the gateways or participating nodes), none of
> which are available (on the WAN) only at layer 2.
>
> bear in mind i could be talking out my ass, but that's as i understand it
> and why i think it can't be done (a layer 2 IPSec device).
>
> ____________________________
> jose nazario      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>            PGP: 89 B0 81 DA 5B FD 7E 00  99 C3 B2 CD 48 A0 07 80
>        PGP key ID 0xFD37F4E5 (pgp.mit.edu)
>
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> Message: 7
> From: Dan McGinn-Combs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 'Matthew Isaacs' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: What is best...
> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:45:21 -0400
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> After long deliberation, we decided to go with Checkpoint on Solaris using
> SUN Hardware not necessarily for all the technical reasons. Sure it would
> have been a simpler install or a simpler configuration to use Windows.
> Certainly, Intel hardware might have been slightly less expensive. But
> overall I think using this combination provided me with a couple of
> additional pluses over Intel/Windows combination:
>
> a) The ability to implement a minimal install of Solaris, reducing the
> number of potential exploits to a minimum. I'm not at all sure this is
> possible on any version of Windows without a great deal of effort.
>
> b) Fear factor, we support ten or twelve firewalls worldwide for the
company
> and it helps to have something mostly deemed as "too complicated" for the
> mere mortal. Using Windows tends to invite a "hey why can't I look at..."
> question from end users.
>
> c) Standard support, yes, I've been guilty of plugging in a 220volt power
> cord while the power config switch was set to 110volts. Ouch... but the
Sun
> support guys (for a price) had a new powersupply over to me within hours.
>
> d) Universal buy-in, providing this service to so many remote sites in
> different countries required us to use something everyone would accept.
Sun,
> Solaris and Checkpoint provided that politically correct platform.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:13 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: What is best...
>
>
> With fear of starting a barrage of emails.... Or sounding ignorant but
would
> like to get feed back from some people with experience in wide range of
> scenarios.
>
> Looking at firewalls, what I'd like to know is what the best scenario is,
> Please no personal opinions.
>
> CP FW -1 4.1 running on Solaris with SUN hardware
> CP FW -1 4.1 running on Solaris with Intel hardware
> CP FW -1 4.1 running on Windows
> Any other fw running on intel
>
> Currently running CP FW-1 4.1 on solaris with Sun hardware is currently
cpu
> bound.
>
> Need to be able to manage Bandwidth as well either from same box or
possible
> another.
>
> Sites where there is some data showing tests etc would be good...
>
> Matthew
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN =
> class=3D098473819-09072001>After long=20
> deliberation, we decided to go with Checkpoint on Solaris using SUN =
> Hardware not=20
> necessarily for all the technical reasons. Sure it would have been a =
> simpler=20
> install or a simpler configuration to use Windows. Certainly, Intel =
> hardware=20
> might have been slightly less expensive. But overall I think using this =
>
> combination provided me with a couple of additional pluses over =
> Intel/Windows=20
> combination:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
> class=3D098473819-09072001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D098473819-09072001>a) =
> The ability to=20
> implement a minimal install of Solaris, reducing the number of =
> potential=20
> exploits to a minimum. I'm not at all sure this is possible on any =
> version of=20
> Windows without a great deal of effort.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
> class=3D098473819-09072001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D098473819-09072001>b) =
> Fear factor, we=20
> support ten or twelve&nbsp;firewalls worldwide for the company and it =
> helps to=20
> have something mostly deemed as "too complicated" for the mere mortal. =
> Using=20
> Windows tends to invite a "hey why can't I look at..." question from =
> end=20
> users.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
> class=3D098473819-09072001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D098473819-09072001>c) =
> Standard=20
> support, yes, I've been guilty of plugging in a 220volt power cord =
> while the=20
> power config switch was set to 110volts. Ouch... but the Sun support =
> guys (for a=20
> price) had a new powersupply over to me within =
> hours.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
> class=3D098473819-09072001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D098473819-09072001>d) =
> Universal=20
> buy-in, providing this service to so many remote sites in different =
> countries=20
> required us to use something everyone would accept. Sun, Solaris and =
> Checkpoint=20
> provided that politically correct platform.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
> class=3D098473819-09072001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
> class=3D098473819-09072001>Dan</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
> class=3D098473819-09072001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
> Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Matthew=20
> Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 09, =
> 2001 1:13=20
> PM<BR><B>To:</B> [EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Subject:</B> What is=20
> best...<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>   <DIV class=3DSection1>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">With fear of starting a =
> barrage of=20
>   emails.... Or sounding ignorant but would like to get feed back from =
> some=20
>   people with experience in wide range of=20
> scenarios.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Looking at firewalls, =
> what I'd=20
>   like to know is what the best scenario is, <SPAN =
> class=3DGramE>Please</SPAN> no=20
>   personal opinions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">CP FW -1 4.1 running on =
> Solaris=20
>   with SUN hardware<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">CP FW -1 4.1 running on =
> Solaris=20
>   with Intel hardware<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">CP FW -1 4.1 running on =
>
>   Windows<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any other <SPAN=20
>   class=3DSpellE>fw</SPAN> running on <SPAN class=3DSpellE><SPAN=20
>   class=3DGramE>intel</SPAN></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Currently running CP =
> FW-1 4.1 on=20
>   <SPAN class=3DSpellE>solaris</SPAN> with Sun hardware is currently =
> <SPAN=20
>   class=3DSpellE><SPAN class=3DGramE>cpu</SPAN></SPAN>=20
>   bound.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Need to be able to =
> manage=20
>   Bandwidth as well either from same box or possible=20
>   another.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sites where there is =
> some data=20
>   showing tests etc would be good...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
>   <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
>   style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Arial">Matthew<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></H=
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:09:47 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Zachary Uram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Dan McGinn-Combs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "'Matthew Isaacs'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: What is best...
>
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> Huh? What is all that junk? Please post in plain ASCII
> text. Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Zach
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have faith." - John 20:29
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 22:23:24 +0200
> From: Axel Eble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Entropy Productions, Inc.
> To: Slade Edmonds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Stonegate Firewall ( what do you think? )
>
> Slade Edmonds wrote:
>
> > I wanna know what people out there think about the Stonegate Firewall
> > product.  Is it good?  Do people actually use it?  Are there people that
> > *dont't* like it?  Etc.  Etc.
>
>
> What I saw at the CeBIT looked quite interesting. Stonesoft didn't want
> to give me a demo version though. They only sent me some Word document
> where I'm supposed to enter some contact data. Alas, I can't open it
> because I'm using Linux :-)
>
> The nice thing about it is the integrated SB Full Cluster and that it
> runs under Linux.
>
> Apart from that: if they sent me a demo CD I would test it...
>
> Regards,
>
> Axel
>
>
>
>
> --
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