On 29 Nov 2001 at 14:15, Olaf Schreck wrote:

> I seem to be missing something with Pix NAT/PAT, anyone got a comment?
> 
> The external interface of the Pix is located in a small /29 subnet (8 IPs).  
> Subtract net and broadcast adresses, one IP for the router, one for the 
> Pix interface, so there's 4 IP addresses left.  Firewall owner wants 2 
> external addresses statically translated to internal servers (say mail/www), 
> now 2 IPs left.  Owner also wants about 50 internal hosts to access the 
> Internet via NAT.  Pix software version is 6.0.
> 
> Is the following statement true?  "With a Pix, you can't reasonably NAT ~50 
> internal hosts to only 2 registered external IP addresses."
> 
> I expected to do n:1 translation as with Ipfilter or Linux masquerading.  
> Pix recommends to have a NAT address pool and additionally a single PAT 
> "overflow" address, and it bites if you don't follow that recommendation.  

I have a PIX 515 with only PAT and I have no problems with it. PAT allows 
65535 connections via a single IP, so if you want 50 internal users they 
could each use over 1000 ports concurrently before exhausting the PAT. 
I've never seen a user here use more than about 100 simultaneous ports 
(lots of browsers, email, and other stuff open) so you won't exhaust it 
with 50 users.

> So, unless I'm really missing something, it looks like the Pix needs a 
> bunch of registered external IP addresses to operate correctly.  Should 
> I recommend to register a 64-address range for a customer with ~50 internal 
> hosts, a few static translations, and some room for growth?  I can't 
> believe that the minimum requirement for deploying a Pix is having a wide 
> range of registered IP addresses.

There is probably something else going wrong with your setup. I've used my 
PIX 515 with OS 4.4(7) and 5.3(1) with only a single PAT address and no 
NAT pool and have zero problems. If you send over your config (with any 
private info stripped of course!) I might have time to take a quick look 
over it and see if I can spot anything that might cause the problems 
you're seeing.

Dan
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