Dear list, I like this question "Is nature orderly?" and agree that it is worthy of discussion. However, let me ask exactly how you would define an orderly nature, how you would detect an orderly nature and what do you think the implications are of it not being orderly?
Joe, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "any order we may discern" and "logical in an expanded sense of logic"; surely any order we discern is a priori logical in any expanded sense. With respect, Steven On May 23, 2008, at 7:06 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > Dear FIS Colleagues, > > With due respect to Pedro, my first reaction to Stan's proposed > question is a positive "very useful". I believe that there are deep > issues of randomness or spontaneity, determinism and computability > that will emerge from its discussion. Another aspect is whether any > order we may discern can be, as I suggest, logical in an expanded > sense of logic. I would look forward to a discussion of this topic. > > Best wishes, > > Joe Brenner > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez > To: fis@listas.unizar.es > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:56 PM > Subject: [Fis] list discussions > > Dear FIS colleagues, > > It is a long time that we do not have discussions in the list. I > have not been able to arrange any other "planned session" after Bob > Logan's one, due to work reasons (changing to a new job months ago). > It is not sure at all that in a few weeks there will be a new > session arranged. However, several weeks ago, Stan suggested > starting an open, informal discussion around a simple question: > > Is Nature Orderly? > > As a side comment (or response of sorts), I quote from P.M. Binder: > "The field of complex systems currently appears as an unfinished > mosaic. Many capable researchers are polishing and gluing the tiles > that may turn it into the queen of all sciences, the science of > synthesis and surprise. As we realize how much everything is > connected, both cooperation [or emergence] and dynamical frustration > can become important tools for our understanding of how the world > works." (2008, Nature, 320, pp. 320-21).. _______________________________________________ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es http://webmail.unizar.es/mailman/listinfo/fis
