Dear Stan, Pedro et al., I think it is correct and useful of Stan to force ((;-)) us to keep in mind questions of being and of our Being to which, today, we can bring an informational perspective. I would just also like to recall that information can be and is added in processes which evolve counter to the 2nd Law, that is, result in the emergence of more complex or higher-level entities or systems. The paradigm principle is, as I have said before, the Pauli Exclusion Principle for fermions (electrons) which enables complex systems to form using the residual uncompensated charge on their lower-level components.
I particularly liked Stan's idea that change may be sought by Being, which reminds one of the wonderful aphorism of Blake: "Eternity is in love with the productions of time". The other half of the phrase is that change may be forced upon Being, but this begs the question of by what or by whom? Placing 'forced' in opposition to 'spontaneous' is a restatement of the problem of determinism and indeterminism. At our macro- (or meso-) level, I personally hold that nothing, that is, no informational change is completely spontaneous although it may have that appearance. It is not necessary to debate this point here or perhaps anywhere! What is important is that talking of such questions in informational terms insures a proper scientific or if you prefer metascientific attitude toward change in its duality and complexity. This is what I understand as part of the FIS. Best wishes, Joseph ----- Original Message ----- From: Stanley N Salthe To: fis Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:08 PM Subject: [Fis] Force in the information worldview Pedro -- Regarding: P: But a previous question may be in order: is "force" the most cogent term to rationalize the upheavals of human history? Is "force" an interesting element at all for advancing the informational worldview? S: There is Being and there is Change. Material Being changes but not completely except when, or as, it disappears. Changes can be viewed as informational. Some change is forced, some is spontaneous, but all is mediated by the information that is embodying Being. Change is inherent in Being-in-this-world because of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The cause of change can be viewed as added information. Change may be sought by, or forced upon, Being. So, force could be an interesting element regarding informational changes. STAN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Fis mailing list Fis@listas.unizar.es http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
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