Dear Mark,
thank you for your message and particularly for your 'theological'
thoughts about pre-understanding, information and 'logos'.
What is intriguing for me is your visw of information _as_
constraint and what you call the "no-there". If I understand you
correctly you bring together information with apophasis which
is, at first sight, an oxymoron, as apophasis means what is
un-spoken and therefore 'in-formation' as what is _no_ formed
(or said) as I could learn from a young Brazilian researcher
who questioned my early interpretation (1978!)
of "informatio" as to form something (not to _un-form_ it).
See more on p. 9ff of this paper
http://www.capurro.de/icil2016.pdf
So, in this sense, "no-there" can be understood _as_
'no-formation' and, following Shannon, a kind of _non-message_
or a message with no (new) content (for the receiver). The
receiver might we willing to discard such a message, but,
if I follow you correctly, this could mean that he/she remains
within his/her pre-understanding (or paradigm or...) instead
of becoming intrigued by a message that _apparently_ says
nothing (new) to him/her in his/her daily _here being_
(or normal science in Kuhn's terminology). If what I say is
correct, then I can see one of the problems of scientific
(and also everyday) communication as a kind of academic
cacophony where each one just discards what is seen as
"no-there" or 'irrelevant'.
You write also about the relation between information and
logos. I was thinking about Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker's
article "Language as Information" (1959) in which he analyzes
the 'circle' between the plasticity and polyphony of human
language and the search for univocity. In the conference
in Munich where W. presented these ideas, Heidegger
spoke about "The path towards language" where he
point to the phenomenon of being _ex-posed_ to
language (Lacan followed this path for psychoanalysis).
In this sense and, again, if I am following your hints correctly,
language/logos is the 'no-there' of information unless we
are able to make a turn, so to speak, in our relation to language,
and such _no-there_ becomes a source of un-sponken
(apophasis) messages that we usually discard as irrational,
non-scientific, non-relevant etc. according to the context
in which we _are-there_.
Allow me a final remark concerning _apophasis_ and
_apophantic_. The last concept is Aristotelian and means
something which is _explicit_. Heidegger contrasts this
kind of _apophantic as_ (our theories for example)
with what is un-spoken and/or un-thought in them,
that he calls _hermeneutic as_. So, in this sense,
the _hermenetic as_ is similar to the _apophasis_
More on this at the "Conclusion" of this long palimpsest
in which I try to connect Greek, Latin, Jewish, Arabic and
Persian roots of the concept of information
http://www.capurro.de/iran.html
Having been a member of the Jesuit Order for eight years,
when I read how you connect the signifiers 'theology'
and 'Rafael' brought me back to my past.
best regards
Rafael
Dear Sergej, Rafeal, Loet, Dai and list,
First of all, thank you very much for the references – Gieryn looks
fascinating (thanks Loet), and I will check out the Hobart and
Schiffman (thanks to Pedro). It always strikes me how powerful acts of
intellectual generosity are, and how much difference there is between
pointing to a reference as if to say “This is the gang of academics
who either agree with me or I disagree with them!” and “As someone
who’s travelled along a similar path to you, I believe you might find
this enlightening”. When we write academic papers, we tend to (indeed,
have to) do the former. The latter is far more empathic - which leads
me to reflect on Rafael’s comment about pre-understanding (I say more
about this further down) On a forum like FIS, we can do the latter. I
ask myself which is more useful or constructive in scientific
discourse, and which should be encouraged?
Between the comments of Dai and Sergej I think there is what Pedro
refers to as the ‘critical stance’ (as in critical theory etc, I
guess). Here I would like to clarify my position. I do not believe
that we “ought” to change the way we communicate about science because
publishers and universities have too much power; that they have too
much power is a systemic consequence of something else. Rather the
argument is that the nature of the science we now practice (complex,
uncertain, contingent) necessitates new forms of communication, and
this science cannot effectively communicate itself through traditional
media. It is not an argument about ‘oughts’, it is an argument about
the ontology of complex science and communication; it is a complex
science reflection on the communication of complex scientists.
That we currently have complex science and highly attenuated channels
of communication is a source of pathology: we are at a transitional
stage in history and such periods are often accompanied by all manner
of social and political problems (just think of the pathologies of the
early 1600s!). One feature of this is that we slip from talking about
‘is’ to ‘ought’ without reflection. I’m unconvinced by the power of
political arguments (however much our professors of sociology would
like to persuade us otherwise!) for moving things on – it only
encourages what Bacon criticized in the Cambridge academics of the
1600s: “They hunt more after words than matter” (I worry about words
like ‘entanglement’ – what does it mean?); it is scientific arguments
and practices which carry the greatest power and which (in the end)
are ontologically inseparable from political change. I suspect the
distinctions between different kind of arguments are the result of
different kinds of constraint.
Having said all this about science, I want to say something about
theology(!) Rafael’s point about “pre-understanding” sent me to the
work of Arthur Peacocke and to the relationship between ‘information’
and ‘logos’. To see information as constraint in both in the science
we do, and in the way we communicate our scientific understanding, is
to emphasise the ‘not-there’. Alongside Loet’s work on redundancy
(which is Shannon’s ‘not-there’), I’m fascinated by Bob Ulanowicz’s
‘apophatic’ information: the term ‘apophatic’ is also theological. I
hope the point is not seen to be a fuzzy or ‘god squad’ one (that’s
not me): it is simply to say that focus on the ‘not-there’ –
particularly if it can be given an empirical dimension – presents a
way of seeing the ‘not-there’ of multivariate empirical practice in
the same scope as the ‘not-there’ of scientific communication. The
theologians (Keith Ward and John Haught should also be mentioned here)
have an important contribution to make. I’d be grateful if anyone on
the list has looked into this further. Paul Davies’s edited collection
“Information and the nature of reality” is a good starting point.
So there’s a scientific question: There is a ‘not-there’ in my videos
(actually, a lot of redundancy); there is a ‘not-there’ in our
experiments; there is a not-there in our academic papers; and there is
a not-there in this message too. How might we go about analysing it?
How can we connect this up?
Best wishes,
Mark
On 3 October 2016 at 18:46, Dai Griffiths <dai.griffith...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mark, and all,
Great videos. Sorry to be slow on this important theme, I have just got back
from some intensive travel in China.
Mark asks at the end of the first video "why (in an uncertain world) do we
continue to put so much emphasis on the academic journal".
In answering, I would not disagree with any of Mark's comments, but I would
stress the policy and political entanglement of technology. In the past
there was no alternative to print media, and so no need to enforce the
hegemony of the journal in the ways that Mark has outlined. The publishers
and universities who were passive recipients of the tribute of the academic
community as if by right (where else would you go), are now forced to take
an active role in order to maintain their preeminence in the new
technological environment. They use their existing position to avert threats
to their future control, through coordination on policy, regulation and law
(e.g. right of access to papers, brought into sharp focus by the tragic
death of Aaron Swartz a couple of years ago).
In a separate dynamic, technology is being used to manage these changes,
which are themselves given impetus by the alignment of technology with
managerial methods (Key Performance Indicators, etc), and with the business
models of financialisation, privatisation and precarious employment.
I don't think we will get to the bottom of these matters, still less change
them, without engaging with the processes in a political way, however good
our analysis of technology per se may be.
Now I'll go off to check out Sci-Hub, ... or maybe I'll wait until I leave
the office and get home.
Dai
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Sent: 27 September 2016 08:27
To: 'Moisés André Nisenbaum'; 'Mark Johnson'; 'fis'
Subject: Re: [Fis] Scientific Communication and Publishing
Dear Mark, Moises, and colleagues,
I agree that this is a very beautiful piece of work. The video is
impressive.
My comment would focus on what it is that constructs reality "by language"
(p. 2). I agree with the remark about the risk of a linguistic fallacy; but
how is the domain of counterfactual expectations constructed? The answer in
the paper tends towards a sociological explanation: "status" for which one
competes in a new political economy. However, it seems to me that the
selection mechanism has to be specified. Can this be external to the
communication? How is the paradigmatic/epistemic closure and quality control
brought about by the communication? How is a symbolic layer shaped and
coded?
One cannot reverse the reasoning: the editorial boards follow standards
that they perceive as relevant and can reproduce. The standards are not a
convention of the board since one would not easily agree. Reversing the
reasoning would bring us back to interests and thus to a kind of neo-marxism
a la the sociology of scientific knowledge (SSK). In actor-network theory
(ANT) the emergence of standards happens historically/evolutionarily, but is
not explained.
I don't have answers on my side. But perhaps, the strength of anticipation
and the role of models needs to be explored. Models can be entertained and
enable us to reconstruct a knowledge-based reality.
Best,
Loet
Loet Leydesdorff
Professor, University of Amsterdam
Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
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Nisenbaum
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 1:45 AM
To: Mark Johnson
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Subject: Re: [Fis] Scientific Communication and Publishing
Dear Mark.
Thank you for the excelent video and article. It is very important to
discuss this and, if you agree, I will use your video with my students (can
you send me the transcription?).
No doubt we are in a changing world and we have to fight against abusive
processes, like publication industry.
In Rafael's article, the question “what is a scientific journal in the
digital age?” I understand that we must think outside the box. I think it
would be great if some group invent a kind of "Uber" of scientific
production. Something that connect directly authors and readers at feasible
rates. arXiv does this connection in some way, but it is not universal.
E-science is also a good initiative.
Related to this discussion, UNESCO will do an event on Wednesday
(sep/28th) at Museu do Amanhã (Rio de Janeiro) called International Day
for Universal Access to Information (http://en.unesco.org/iduai2016).
But the fact is: we are human and the worry about "reputation" is the real
reason of today's organization of scientific communication (about this, this
book chapter is very good: VAN RAAN, Anthony FJ. The interdisciplinary
nature of science: theoretical framework and bibliometric-empirical
approach. Practising interdisciplinarity, p.
66-78, 2000.)
Kind regards,
Moisés
2016-09-26 4:55 GMT-03:00 Mark Johnson <johnsonm...@gmail.com>:
Dear FIS Colleagues,
To kick-start the discussion on scientific publishing, I have prepared
a short (hopefully provocative) video. It can be found at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bh3vqM98-U
(if anyone's interested, the software I used for producing it is
called 'Videoscribe')
I have also produced a paper which is attached.
I hope you find these interesting and stimulating!
Best wishes,
Mark
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