gyuri, how can we get online or email access to your article on how
inanimate things exchange information?
with warmth and oomph--howard
ps i believe i'm in the volume for the information summit in vienna with
you. but if you get me a word or pdf version of your article, i can upload
it to my kindle, carry it with me wherever i go, and read it.
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In a message dated 3/25/2017 5:48:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
darv...@iif.hu writes:
Dear Krassimir,
They can!!!!
For details, see my contrinution to the 2015 Vienna IS4IS meeting and
following publications of the proceedings!
Best, Gyuri
24.03.2017 16:25 időpontban Krassimir Markov ezt írta:
Dear Arturo and FIS Colleagues,
Let me remember that:
The basic misunderstanding that non-living objects could "exchange
information" leads to many principal theoretical as well as psychological
faults.
For instance, photon could exchange only energy and/or reflections !
Sorry for this n-th my remark ...
Friendly greetings
Krassimir
From: _tozziarturo@libero.it_ (mailto:tozziart...@libero.it)
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 4:52 PM
To: _fis@listas.unizar.es_ (mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es)
Subject: [Fis] I: Re: Is information truly important?
Dear Lars-Göran,
I prefer to use asap my second FIS bullet, therefore it will be my last
FIS mail for the next days.
First of all, in special relativity, an observer is NOT by definition a
material object that can receive and store incoming energy from other
objects.
In special relativity, an observer is a frame of reference from which a
set of objects or events are being measured. Speaking of an observer is not
specifically hypothesizing an individual person who is experiencing events,
but rather it is a particular mathematical context which objects and
events are to be evaluated from. The effects of special relativity occur
whether
or not there is a "material object that can recieve and store incoming
energy from other objects" within the inertial reference frame to witness them.
Furthermore, take a photon (traveling at speed light) that crosses a
cosmic zone close to the sun. The photon "detects" (and therefore can
interact
with) a huge sun surface (because of its high speed), while we humans on
the Earth "detect" (and can interact with) a much smaller sun surface.
Therefore, the photon may exchange more information with the sun than the
humans on the Earth: both the photon and the humans interact with the same
sun, but they "detect" different surfaces, and therefore they may exchange
with the sun a different information content.
If we also take into account that the photon detects an almost infinite,
fixed time, this means once again that it can exchange much more information
with the sun than we humans can.
In sum, once again, information does not seem to be a physical quantity,
rather just a very subjective measure, depending on the speed and of the
time of the "observer".
Arturo Tozzi
AA Professor Physics, University North Texas
Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy
Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba
http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/
----Messaggio originale----
Da: "Lars-Göran Johansson" <lars-goran.johans...@filosofi.uu.se>
Data: 24/03/2017 14.50
A: "tozziart...@libero.it"<tozziart...@libero.it>
Ogg: Re: [Fis] Is information truly important?
24 mars 2017 kl. 13:15 skrev _tozziarturo@libero.it_
(mailto:tozziart...@libero.it) :
Dear Fisers,
a big doubt...
We know that the information of a 3D black hole is proportional to its 2D
horizon, according to the Bekenstein-Hawking equations.
However, an hypotetical observer traveling at light speed (who watches a
black hole at rest) detects a very large black hole horizon, due to
Einstein's equations.
Therefore, he detects more information from the black hole than an
observer at rest, who sees a smaller horizon...
An observer is by definition a material object that can recieve and store
incoming energy from other objects. Since it requires infinite energy to
accelerate even a slighest object to the velocity of light, no observer can
travel at the speed of light. That means that your thought experiment is
based in inconsistent assumptions and no vaild conclusions from them can be
drawn.
Lars-Göran Johansson
In sum, information does not seem to be a physical quantity, rather just a
very subjective measure...
Arturo Tozzi
AA Professor Physics, University North Texas
Pediatrician ASL Na2Nord, Italy
Comput Intell Lab, University Manitoba
http://arturotozzi.webnode.it/
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