This message is from: "shawna smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karl, I live 45 miles SE of Portland so I know what you mean by RAIN. Our property is flat and there is no drainage-water literally stands in some areas all winter. Anyway, last summer, after talking to several people with outdoor rings, I put in the base for my round pen. I put down landscape cloth with about 8+ inches of sand on top. The cloth was about $300.00 and is very easy to cut and work with, even for one person. I was told it is better not to put this cloth on top of muddy ground. I too, had contemplated a gravel base with shavings or hog fuel, but was told that the rock will work up thru to the top and that the wood breaks down and can get mushy. With sand, it may cost more initially, but should last a long time. Hope this helps. Shawna
We're located in the town of Snohomish, about 30 mi. North of Seattle. Snow & freezing is not a problem, but rain - lots of it - is. Karl