This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Tamara, all the things you mentioned are only behavior problems. Some people
use punishment to train and I believe the fjord then sets their jaw.  I do
not do clicker training but this is quite successful.  In the hands of a
good trainer she would improve rapidly.  My boy is testy because he was
mistreated and spoiled at his last of many habitats.  Here he still likes to
be pushy and if he over steps his bounds he does get a slap.  But he is the
safest ride one can have, despite his other memories.

No matter how well trained the horse may be when you get it unless you know
how to handle a horse some will digress to the behavior you describe, and
worse sometimes.

  My 17 hand Trakehner resists anyone approaching his nose to tube. No amt
of clicker training, reward or otherwise can change him but if I threaten
him with the word  "whip" he brings his head down just a bit and I reach up,
up and up and put my hand in his mouth between his teeth and he comes right
down.  Does mean sometimes I get a handful of his worm meds.

I do not imply that I use the whip to train my horses but bad behavior calls
for it.  This rarely happens as just the threat can work. The big boy I have
had all his life, but Gunnar had been through many hands before arriving
here a roaring and obstinate beastie.  Today he even allows a kiss, but does
reman rather aloof. I think he still believes he will be sent away again.

Do not believe the "stubborn" myth by trainers.  Most of them force horses
and do not recognize the intelligence they are dealing with in the fjord.
Jean







Jean Walters Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
Author:The Colonel's Daughter
Occupied Germany 1946-49
$20 PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563

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