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Hi List ! Its late again.....but wanted to respond to the poster who had the problem of their Fjords rubbing on each others bridles, and was considering open bridle to drive........ If you decide to switch to open cheek bridles, PLEASE start your horses back to basics before hitching them for the first time without blinkers. Often, even a very broke horse will panic and bolt or worse, after catching a view of the cart moving behind them. Its also very important to get these guys to QUIT their bad habbit of rubbing....and if its not blinkers, it can also be bridles, yokes, itchy ears ect. I have personally seen several wrecks as a result of rubbing, both with ridden horses and driven ones. Its good to get your whip with a lash long enough to reach your horses shoulders, and use it to disapline them for rubbing, at first attempt. If they hook their bits together, and run off....picture it. Same with a horse who has been allowed to rub their bridle on their harness....catching it back by the saddle part, runaway. Whoa does not just mean feet....also means all unnessessary movement, unless asked for by driver. Please see CD-List archives for more info on this......also, saw this on my Draft Horse list today....good timing. Good-Luck with it....much easier to break a bad habit now then dealing with re-training a horse whos suffered a bad wreck though. Lisa Pedersen Pedersens Fjords Cedar City, Utah where its still remarkably sunny, warm and clear during the day, cold at night. Heaven. : ) )************************************************************************************************** ( Quoted from Connamerapony on the Draft Horst list ) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:29:46 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Halters under bridles In a message dated 11/10/99 1:50:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Imagine a horse did get unbridled and you were seated on the driver's seat and there were competent horsepeople nearby who could help... would you rather they grab the horse by the halter, or try to find a leadrope to throw over his neck? >> This happened in old Sacramento a few months ago. The horse rubbed the bridle off, no halter, and then took off running. With the driver on the box. And ran for about 10 minutes before finally crashing and tearing the carriage to pieces. Horse and driver were injured(also boyfriend who tried to dive in front of horse and get it to stop-it didn't, and ran him over), but luckily not seriously. Driver tried to sue city for having bolts that stuck out slightly from the hitching post. Never mind that driver allowed horse to rub his head, knowing the bolts were there. there._______________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ _