fjordhorse-digest Saturday, December 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 327
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Subject: RE: Looking for a name
Re: Denny Emerson's article
Blue Earth show
cameras and Fjords
how do read a pedigree
Re: cameras and Fjords
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Re: cameras and Fjords
Email Change
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Re: Subject: RE: Looking for a name
Re: Pas De Deux tape
Re: Denny Emerson's article
Re: update - please note
Just wondering
Saddle Horn
Horse rolling
Re: Denny Emerson's article
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:13:15 -0500
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Subject: Subject: RE: Looking for a name
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Not on a Mac Keyboard!
If you want a real Norse alphabet, you can just install one
on your computer off the net. I have american and swedish on
mine.
Mary Dixon
America's hometown-Ann Arbor MI
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:40:00 -0500
From: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article
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wanda m hill12/12/01 1:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Vivian, I appreciate your bringing this article to our attention. I wish
> we could have more discussions on this forum where we educate each other.
Thanks Joel,
I am still hoping to get more responses. I know this is a group full of
opinions. I'd love to hear more of them.
Loved Lori's post about "rideability". Lori would you qualify for us how you
measure this in a breed where so few of our horses actually are pressed to
perform at an ever higher level. Is a good score in an evaluation
performance test enough, and I realize it takes time to train a horse for
these tests. Do you want your horses sire and dam to have a lengthy
perfomance record? Or is the stallion more important than the mare in this
respect?
For Carolyn, Jane and Linda it seems that the most important thing is that
the horse be well trained. It was interesting to note that Carolyn passed
on a mare that she felt was too forward for her abilities and not obedient
to the aids . This is not the first time I have heard this same sentiment
expressed by a potential Fjord buyer. Anyone else on the list have similar
or opposing thoughts regarding this.
Price for Fjords is one of my pet peeves so I will now ascend the soap box:
When shopping for an event prospect (usually a TB or TBX) my daughter and I
know that we will not be seeing any promising green broke or unbroke horses
under $8500. The normal range being $10,000 to $15,000. These horses should
be good movers and show some jumping ability, although in an unbroke horse
this can only be assesed by free jumping them in an arena which is not
always possible. It's always nice if the horse is nice to be around and has
some social skills. We are basically buying a horse who has few real using
skills yet, but possibly has succesful eventing parents and siblings, is
fairly sane and if green broke is at the least excepting of the bit.
However if all goes well and Wesley, with professional coaching and
lessons*, can ride the horse to some blue ribbons up to a certain level,
safely, we know that we can then sell that horse for AT LEAST TWICE what was
originally paid.
When my phone rings for a Fjord, the person inquiring ususally wants a well
trained horse, that rides and drives, safely and has good ground manners.
They might not want to show, but they aren't ruling it out and they haven't
decided whether or not they'll breed the horse, if it's a mare, but they
want one that might be good enough to breed if that is an option they choose
to explore down the line. Oh and they want a horse that I can promise will
never buck, rear or run. PHEW! That's certainly a lot more than we expect
in a green event prospect. BUT, when I inquire what the caller is expecting
to spend it is always well below what I would consider a fair price for a
Fjord that fulfills their criteria.
How do those of you on the list feel about this issue? Do you feel that I am
out of line comparing Fjords to TB event horses? If so, why?
I'd love to see more responses to Denny's article and have others on the
list raise some questions of their own.
Vivian C.
*It might interest some of you to know that Wesley's event coach still takes
lessons even though she is an accomplished rider/teacher/trainer and that in
eventing and dressage it is fairly normal for upper level riders to continue
taking lessons. I realize some of you know this already just thought I'd
toss it out there for those of you who didn't.
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:01:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Blue Earth show
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With all the talk about Libby, I felt it important to
remind those new to Fjords about the Midwest Fjord
Horse Show in Blue Earth, MN held in July. It is
actually the biggest Fjord horse event in the country
and a wonderful show with wonderful people attending.
I will miss not attending now that I have moved to New
Mexico but I don't miss the Minnesota (or Nebraska)
humidity!
I was at Libby two years ago and I must say that I
enjoyed it immensely and would love to go back. There
are also Fjord shows in Woodstock, VT and Turlock, CA.
It looks as if the the El Paso Riding and Driving Club
will be hosting an Olaf Nyby clinic next October. I am
working with Cheryl on arrangements. She tells me he
is excited about an opportunity to visit the
southwest. Sue in Albuquerque and Beth in Boulder are
thinking of coming so there will be some Fjords
represented. Tank and I will be there, of course.
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:22:34 -0800
From: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cameras and Fjords
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Mike are you sure Vikings didn't use a shoebox and film to take pictures of
their horses? :-)
My point is the drawings of horses in those days were pretty generic, at
least from the art work that I have seen. I do know in movies such as the
Viking Sagas and the 13th Warrior they used Fjords. I am just wanting to
learn more about that and not sure where to look. As you know, the horse to
the Viking was not in a place of no importance so somewhere there must be
some information. If anyone hits on anything let me know.
Thanks
Deb
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:27:38 -0800
From: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how do read a pedigree
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Mike wrote:
>Well what is it exactly that you need explained? Seems like you have it
down pretty well actually.
Someone helped me out Mike. I didn't know that the smaller numbers by the
names signified that these were the original stock that came over. I also
wondered if anyone here had any Fjords from the same or similar line. You
could see by the lineage that their had been in-breeding. I was curious
about that as well. I was told that was because there werent' many Fjords in
that country at the time, Canada, and that it was fine since he wasn't being
bred. That is the kind of stuff I was curious about.
Deb
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:32:52 -0500
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cameras and Fjords
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 09:22 AM 12/14/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>This message is from: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Mike are you sure Vikings didn't use a shoebox and film to take pictures
>of their horses? :-)
I am fairly sure. ;-) (I did work for Kodak for 32 years by the way) ;-)
>My point is the drawings of horses in those days were pretty generic, at
>least from the art work that I have seen. I do know in movies such as the
>Viking Sagas and the 13th Warrior they used Fjords. I am just wanting to
>learn more about that and not sure where to look. As you know, the horse
>to the Viking was not in a place of no importance so somewhere there must
>be some information. If anyone hits on anything let me know.
Maybe Anneli has an idea for you? Anneli
Mike
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:37:37 -0500
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how do read a pedigree
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 09:27 AM 12/14/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>This message is from: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Mike wrote:
>
>>Well what is it exactly that you need explained? Seems like you have it
>down pretty well actually.
>
>Someone helped me out Mike. I didn't know that the smaller numbers by the
>names signified that these were the original stock that came over. I also
>wondered if anyone here had any Fjords from the same or similar line. You
>could see by the lineage that their had been in-breeding. I was curious
>about that as well. I was told that was because there werent' many Fjords
>in that country at the time, Canada, and that it was fine since he wasn't
>being bred. That is the kind of stuff I was curious about.
Ok glad you got the info you were looking for. Some countries still allow
inbreeding & line breeding by the way. The NFHR does not allow inbreeding
or crossbreeding.
Mike
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:42:22 +0100
From: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cameras and Fjords
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Deb,
I've actually written a phd-thesis in archaeology about horsemanship during the
Late Iron Age (c. 550-1060), of which the Viking Age (c. 775-1060) is a part.
It's focused on Swedish material and written in Swedish, but if you want to I
can try to find the English summary somewhere on my harddisc and forward it to
you.
Concerning fjords and vikings: the fjordhorse as we know it did not exist
during the Viking Age. Norway has not been a closed area and there has been
outbreeding as well as selective breeding to focus of a certain type of horses
after the Viking Age there. BUT the horses that lived in Norway are the
ancestors to our fjords, nordland horses, icelandic horses etc. So in a way,
there were fjords during the Viking Age, but they probably looked a bit
different.
Anneli
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St. Eriks Torg 5
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From: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 6:22 PM
Subject: cameras and Fjords
> This message is from: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Mike are you sure Vikings didn't use a shoebox and film to take pictures of
> their horses? :-)
>
> My point is the drawings of horses in those days were pretty generic, at
> least from the art work that I have seen. I do know in movies such as the
> Viking Sagas and the 13th Warrior they used Fjords. I am just wanting to
> learn more about that and not sure where to look. As you know, the horse to
> the Viking was not in a place of no importance so somewhere there must be
> some information. If anyone hits on anything let me know.
>
> Thanks
>
> Deb
>
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:12:04 -0800
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Subject: Email Change
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:12:11 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Kinnickinnick lines was Re: how do read a pedigree
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In a message dated 12/14/01 9:33:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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> . I also
>
I did. She was a lovely mare named Nikki. She is now back with her previous
owner, living out the rest of her years at the place she loves best. And her
filly, Skylark, now belongs to my trainer. I wasn't thrilled with the line
breeding, but the horse was a LOVELY ride. She had the smoothest sitting
trot I've ever ridden. A very nice canter. Very drafty build. VERY smart.
Very willful at times.
My trainer is having a blast training the filly. I warned her that Skylark
can "drop and roll" at the drop of a hat. MOST horses go down knees first.
Skylark, the wench, learned that I could keep her from going down that way.
So when she wanted a good roll and I didn't WANT her to roll (right after a
bath, let's say) she would drop like a camel! Back end first. Well, she did
this with the trainer once. She figured out, as I did, how to prevent this
also. But was very surprised last month, after a nice training session where
she was being ridden, and Skylark was PERFECT, the horse apparently decided
she was done. With Jackie on her. She plomped straight down in the dirt.
Jackie had a little lesson in manners with her then. This horse gets her
feelings hurt if you are angry with her. She probably won't try this again.
Just sharing this info with you in case your horse may have some of these
traits!
Pamela
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:05:13 -0800
From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: Looking for a name
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Mary where can I find German umlaut and language to download?
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:09:48 -0800
From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pas De Deux tape
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Hi Gayle am getting twenty dollars off for the Pas de Ducks! Thanks. Jean
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
http://users.techline.com/jgayle
Send $20
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:36:03 -0800
From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Vivian I would be interested to know if anyone on the list has any offspring
of Grabb and Gulldua. At one time Mary Ofjord said she had a Grabb Stella
mare who was also "standoffish" not mean but did not like being fussed over.
She was the most unfriendly in the herd.
Gunnar is certainly standoffish and barely tolerates pats and rubs. He can
be surly at times but is quickly obedient if chastised. A really good ride
and very reliable. His sire and dam were beautiful examples of good fjord
conformation but Gunnar is heavy bodied and short legged with a massive
head. At a distance many people think he is a huge horse standing in tall
grass.
He has an excellent trot, easy to sit but is reluctant to take the canter.
He has been used at jumping and was average. Calm in driving.
He does love grooming and will even leave food or try to combine the
activities. I have never known how much of his standoffish behavior is from
abuse before I got him and also spoiling at one of his previous places. He
has been moved around a lot.
This then questions how much is the sometimes unfriendly behavior, breeding
or abuse/spoiling or all.
As Gunnar is now 19 there may not be too many of his sibs around. Jean
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:54:14 -0600
From: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: update - please note
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Update on the Midwest Fjord Horse Club winter meeting:
A mailing will be going out the early part of next week with all the correct
information on the March 9-10 weekend. The registration form will be included,
please read everything over carefully and do not hesitate to call or email if
you have any questions.
We've been able to secure an all inclusive package for our Club with the
Victorian Pines Inn - a new facil;ity in Galena. For $135.00 per person single
occupancy or $95.00 per per based on double occupancy - you receive TWO nights
lodging (Fri & Sat night) - the Friday night reception - breakfast - lunch and
dinner. The Inn has a pool and spa, very nice facilities. We blocked 40 rooms
and as of yesterday they had 15 rooms already booked - so call for reservations
and make sure you say you are with the Midwest Fjord Horse Club.
If you stay at the Victorian Pines Inn all you have to pay for in addition is
the clinic with is $25.00 per person for a single or $40.00 per person for a
family. The clinic fee must be sent to MWFHC when you send back the
registration form to us.
If you do not stay at the Victorian Inn but want to join in the reception,
breakfast, lunch and dinner you need to send $50.00 per person when you
register through the mail as well as the clinic fees.
So get your reservations in, send the registration back to us as soon as you
can and rest assured the 2002 MWFHC winter meeting - clinic-dinner will be the
best ever!
Pat Holland
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:41:12 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Just wondering
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Hi Listers;
I got some material from the "Morton Building Company" today. They build
equestrian facilities. In one of their brochures I see a barn and paddock
with fjords - does anyone know who's barn and horses are pictured??
Linda in Minnesota
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:19:10 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Saddle Horn
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Hello List,
I heard a story recently about the girl from a large city in the East who
was going to a dude ranch in Montana for a week.
It seems the dude ranch owner called a few days before she was to arrive
and asked if she perfered an english saddle or a western saddle.
The girl asked "what is the difference."
Dude ranch owner: "Well the western saddle has a horn"
City girl: "I didn't think there would be enough traffic out there that
I would need a horn"
Dave Sperl
Othello, WA
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:19:07 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Horse rolling
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Hello All,
Interesting about the horse Pamala wrote about. On the first long ride
my wife took with our Fjord, she was already nervous, and as the ride was
coming to an end along the irrigation canal, there was some real good sand,
and all of a sudden the horse decided it was too good to pass up, and Ann was
suddenly standing beside the horse. The horse then must have realized she had
a saddle on, as rolled part way, and then just looked up at Ann and got back
to its feet.
Dave Sperl
Othello, WA
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:17:08 +1100
From: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jean Walters Gayle said:
>Vivian I would be interested to know if anyone on the list has any
>offspring
>of Grabb and Gulldua. At one time Mary Ofjord said she had a Grabb Stella
>mare who was also "standoffish" not mean but did not like being fussed
>over.
Jean: I have a Grabb grandson, and I wrote recently that he was aloof.
Hmmm, anecdotal or a trait of this bloodline?
>I have never known how much of his standoffish behavior is from
>abuse before I got him and also spoiling at one of his previous places. He
>has been moved around a lot.
I bought my fellow at auction on his 4th birthday. I figure I'm at least
his fourth owner in his four years. I don't know how he's been handled in
his lifetime, abuse or otherwise, but maybe he went from owner to owner
because he is aloof, rather than aloof because he's moved from owner to
owner. Interesting any way you look at it.
Thanks for the insights!
Cheers!
Karen, near Denver
PS - I expect he'll be permanent here. He's slowly warming up, and now will
stand for cuddles, although he doesn't need them, but seems to know that I
do. :^)
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:19:30 -0500
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 01:36 PM 12/14/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Vivian I would be interested to know if anyone on the list has any offspring
>of Grabb and Gulldua. At one time Mary Ofjord said she had a Grabb Stella
>mare who was also "standoffish" not mean but did not like being fussed over.
>She was the most unfriendly in the herd.
Not sure if they are on the list or not but here is a link to the 3
offspring of Gulldua that are in the NFHR database. One of them is Gunnar
of course:
http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ponyweb.cgi?search&ParentID=2754
I do not know where the stallion Uredd is these days or if he is even
alive. I do know that he is not owned by Cliff Baltzley though.
Does anyone know if Cliff Baltzley is still alive? I haven't heard
anything about him for quite a few years now. The last I heard was that he
was in a nursing home but I am not sure how true that was either.
Mike
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:52:39 -0800
From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Denny Emerson's article
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Karen if I try to hug or scratch Gunnar he moves away unless he is eating.
Jean
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
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