fjordhorse-digest Thursday, February 27 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 056
In this issue:
Reminder - MN Horse Expo
Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
Re: Photos of Evening of Dancing Horses - Rescued Fjord
Re: Fun Site
RE: FJORDS AT AUCTION
Re: Reminder - MN Horse Expo
Jeff Morse Clinic
BROKEN AXIS-COON FOOTED
Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
Re: Broken Axis
RE: Horse & Camels and other exotics
Re: buttons
Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
Re: Jeff Morse Clinic
Re: Jeff Morse Clinic
horses & exotics
Re: Fun Site
Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
Re: Fun Site
Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
Re: Reminder - MN Horse Expo
Re: Horse & Camels and other exotics
Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
Re: horses & exotics
Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
Re: horses & exotics
Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
broken axis
Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
Re: In support of my son
RE: Horse & Camels and other exotics
Re: Horse & Camels and other exotics
Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:07:42 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Reminder - MN Horse Expo
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Listers;
A reminder to send me your advertisements for stallion, farm, "for sale"
horses - for the Minnesota Horse Expo.
Thank you to those who have already sent flyers -
Volunteers!!! We could use help on Sunday .......... all day!!
Could use a couple more on Friday and Saturday, too, especially while parade
of breeds is presented - mid morning and mid afternoon.
Enjoy the day!
Linda Lottie
9310 Bechtold Road
Rogers, MN 55374
763-498-7948
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:00:43 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gail,
I have also seen bumps on the sheath like this in response to an
insect bite. A local spot of inflammation occurs and then a little
fibrous bump results.
You might just keep a close watch on it. If it doesn't increase in
size or change consistency then you might just save your money on the
biopsy.
> BTW....my vet figured that we "cured" the sarcoids that were there
> by biopsying them...that it somehow might have ramped up his immune
> response to them.
The biopsy might have caused some local inflammation that allowed the
body to penetrate the mass and build an immune response. Sarcoids are
caused by a virus and somehow it isolates itself from the body so the
body can't attack it. One old method for treating multiple sarcoids
was to cut one off, grind it up and mix it with a solution. You would
then inject this into the horse. This would be like making a vaccine
to the sarcoid.
One method I use for some sarcoids is to inject them with an immune
stimulant that we use for respiratory infections. It seems doing
anything to get the immune system to attack the mass helps recovery.
Steve
Steve White, DVM
Sport Horse Veterinary Service
Gretna, NE
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:57:55 -0600
From: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Photos of Evening of Dancing Horses - Rescued Fjord
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Starfirefarm wrote:
>This message is from: Starfirefarm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>For your enjoyment (and for those who haven't seen the video) we have
>updated our website to include photos from the Evening of Dancing Horses
>at the Stock Show.
>
Hi,
I really enjoyed the photos and thank you for sharing them. Is there
going to be a video for sale?
>
>
- --
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
N. Wisconsin
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:44:42 -0600
From: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fun Site
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mike May wrote:
> This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Go to this web page http://svt.se/hogafflahage/ and you get a cartoon
> where the Turkey ??? is holding a mike and blinks. Press STARTA
Looks like Mike has too much free time on his hands or is still snowed
in. :-) You better watch out or Steve will put a filter in place cause
you did not include Fjord somewhere. :-D It froze my PC up or I did
not have the patience to wait for it to get moving. We still have
little snow in WI, but plenty of cold and the big subject in the area is
who's septic is froze and where. We will also have a terrible fire
problem come spring before things green up if we don't get some moisture
of some kind. I will share with you what my Heidi did last week.
- -- -- You won't believe what Heidi did last week as I was driving
her. She was real good the whole time and I was able to keep her in
check in the bucking area, but on our way back and almost home she all
of a sudden laid down and was going to roll. Well, another reason to
always keep whip in hand which I do not always do. Anyway after a
couple of swats and stern words, she was up immediately. She did not
roll. That would have been a grand sight. Me trying to untangle horse
hooked to cart after roll. Well, I thought it through later and. Poor
Heidi. I had clipped her mane before harnessing and I'm sure she was
just reacting to many little snippets of hair that had worked their way
down to her skin. That must have been most uncomfortable as they are
like little needles even through I had brushed as much off as possible.
So another lesson learned.
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
N. Wisconsin
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 06:40:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: FJORDS AT AUCTION
This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Brian, I hope you recover from your flu soon.
Thanks for your comments. I always appreciate the
sensible and insightfull thoughts that you and Ursula
share with this list.
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Cynthia Madden
Las Cruces, NM
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:45:00 -0600
From: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reminder - MN Horse Expo
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Linda,
I will be available to fill in where ever you need. You have no idea how
much you have done for me and I really want to be part of this for the
success on the breed and for the comrade and heck the fun.
So I have X'ed the whole weekend for Expo. I do have a friend and myself
coming for Saturday, and my daughter want's to come and help also. I am
usually their all 3 days anyway, better their than shopping the booths.
Just keep me apprised as to the needs. let me know if you need anything else
and I will see what I can do.
Roberta
> Volunteers!!! We could use help on Sunday .......... all day!!
> Could use a couple more on Friday and Saturday, too, especially while
parade
> of breeds is presented - mid morning and mid afternoon.
> Linda Lottie
> 9310 Bechtold Road
> Rogers, MN 55374
> 763-498-7948
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:19:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Jeff Morse Clinic
This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have been busy with aftermath of clinic and earning
a living and have had not had time to comment on the
Jeff Morse Clinic our new driving club, the Zia
Carriage Driving Club, put on last weekend. After a
week of cloudy and windy weather and some good rain,
it cleared up for the weekend though it got a little
windy and cold in the late afternoon.
Jeff Morse of Green Meads Farm in Richmond, MA agreed
to come for his first visit to southern New Mexico and
he was really glad to escape the northeast for a few
days.
I have to say that I don't think I have ever received
so much information in so short a time and so helpful
at any other clinic I've attended. Both Steve and I
took a lesson with Tank and between the two sessions,
I gained so much information. Jeff says that driving
is a process of a thousand tweaks and that is what he
proceeded to do with horses, harness, vehicle, and
driver for everyone. I thought it very useful that he
pointed out that Tank's conformation and his current
breast collar might be incompatible and he suggested
trying a collar. He made some temporarly adjustments
and long range suggestions for the cart to bring the
driver higher. He also made some bitting suggestions
to encourage Tank to soften his jaw. Jeff emphasizes
comfort of the horse and the appropriate roles of
horse and driver. Jeff has real expertise, kindness
and a sense of humor.
I have been very frustrated and discouraged with my
inability to get Tank more forward. He showed us both
how to to do it effectively and told me to give Tank
more praise for correctness. I feel much encouraged
and have several tools now with which to work on both
Tank and myself. Jeff thought Tank "talented" and this
has always been my belief but I was beginning to think
otherwise. It is great to feel good again about both
of us working together. This is what these kind of
clinics are all about.
Everyone who participated in the clinic went away
feeling better about themselves and their horse (and
vice versa). We had a good crowd of auditors who were
hanging on every word. Jeff was excellent at telling
the audiences what he was doing and why. A couple of
"old timers" were so impressed they came both days and
told me to make sure and let them know about our next
clinic.
All in all it was a very successful first effort for
our club and brought us some new members. Those of you
who are on CD-L will know Barbara Burr who makes
ultralite whips. She and her husband Cal are
considering moving to this area and visited our
clinic. They are great people and we hope they decided
on our fair city as their new home. They would be a
real asset to our fledging driving community.
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Cynthia Madden
Las Cruces, NM
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:47:33 -0800
From: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: BROKEN AXIS-COON FOOTED
This message is from: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dear List from Brian Jensen;
Coon footed is the extreme form of broken axis. This
structural defect predisposes a horse to stress and strain on the flexor
tendons, distal sesamoid, pastern joint and more. The ultimate effect is
lameness.
As Curtis Pierce indicated--a horse with Broken Axis is
useable in a light work environment. A coon-footed horse is hardly
useable---maybe could serve as a companion to another lonesome horse.
Since we are on the topic-- the Club-Footed horse has a
front hoof wall closer to the vertical--90 degrees. Usually with shorter,
more vertical pasterns. These affected horses suffer from lameness,
irregular gait with stilted action.--Brian J
Ursula & Brian Jensen
Trinity Fjords
Box 1032
Lumby BC, V0E 2G0
Canada 250-547-6303
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:33:59 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 2/26/2003 7:34:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Hi Brian, ........ Thanks for your comments. I always appreciate the
> sensible and insightful thoughts that you and Ursula
> share with this list.
>
I must second this notion!! I personally think the whole "auction" thing is
being a bit blown out of proportion. We must remember that the word
"AUCTION" is NOT synonymous with "Slaughter house". Many other breeds have
been having specialty auctions (whether for a particular breed or particular
disipline/purpose) for a long time with great benefit to the breeds involved.
Take a look sometime at the prices they get for TB yearlings at some of the
race horse auctions for instance. Our Small Farmer's Journal Draft Horse
Auction has had Fjords consigned several times in the last few years. These
horses are bringing some of the top prices for the sale. These horses are
getting exposure at these auctions, being seen by people that may not
otherwise ever have seen a Fjord horse. These people may end up being future
Fjord buyers - whether at another auction or from a private party. How can
this be a bad thing?
I guess I just don't understand why some folks are getting so worked up and
putting someone down because, for whatever the reason, they have made the
choice of selling horses at auction.
Amy
Amy Evers
Dun Lookin' Fjords
Redmond, OR
Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:45:36 -0800 (PST)
From: SUSAN GIARGIARI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Broken Axis
This message is from: SUSAN GIARGIARI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello List! Thanks for all the feed back on my thoughts and experience with
Broken Axis....I wondered if it was just me and am so glad it ain't!! LOL!
Curt......I promise I won't shave my fjords legs......but for those of you who
do.....I think it is acceptable as when you do certain disciplines it is better
for the horse?? Gayle help!! Don't I remember you talking about how you
sometimes do Dusty's legs because of some of the stuff you do! And Dusty's
legs are really a wonder!! When you see all the slids and spins and everything
Gayle does with him.....his legs are clean!! Ceacy and I enjoyed meeting Gayle
and Dusty last time we went to Libby, MT!
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:30:14 -0800
From: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Horse & Camels and other exotics
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
We have one male Llama in with 5 Mares as a guardian in a remote pasture.
He earns his feed and gets along with everybody.
We have another male in with two other mares and they are the best of
buddies.
It's all in what they are used to.
All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus.
Fred and Lois Pack
Pack's Peak Stables
Wilkeson, Washington 98396
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:27:32 -0600
From: "Hope Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: buttons
This message is from: "Hope Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Came across these pretty buttons from Norway, have fjords on them,
at: www.norskfjordfiber.com
If not on the website, they are in the printed catalog, handcast pewter.
Hope
N IL
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:08:45 -0800
From: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There are auctions, and then there are auctions. I think it depends on how
well-promoted the auctions are, and how well regulated. I know the draft
community quite often trades horses at auction and that one does not
automatically assume that a horse in the auction has some kind of problem.
I would never buy a horse at our local livestock auction without considering
the very real possibility that it is a rogue horse, or ill or lame in some
way. On the other hand, the California Red Bluff Bull and Gelding Sale
every January has a fairly detailed system of vet and performance
checks.....much like an evaluation....and then the horses are auctioned off.
It takes two or three days to do everything for all 150 horses, and lots of
them are "sifted." People are not buying these horses for meat. The lame
ones, or bad actors are simply not run through the auction. I think it IS
possible that some of these horses flunked the x-ray portion of a vet check
when they were being sold as trained reiners or cutting horses....there is
some fine breeding and training that goes through that auction that the
owners receive almost nothing for.
I had an interesting experience with the Turlock Draft Horse and Equipment
Auction...where I know a pair of Unrau-bred geldings went very cheap. (They
were ill at the time....I traced their history...they had been sold as a lot
by a divorcing woman to a friend, on the stipulation, I believe, that he
find decent homes for them...he took them straight to the auction, at which
point they had shipping fever and unloaded them at a profit. As I remember,
they went slightly over meat prices...in the middle of the stock market
boom. BTW...they found good homes.) I bought Whodini from that auction, on
impulse, at a different time. He was no-saled, as he was going for little
more than meat price. That year there was a big hay shortage....so stock
was going cheap. However, when I went to pick him up from a well-respected
draft horse breeder I was told that the Martins auction quality was not as
good as it had once been (maybe because of the hay shortage) .
(BTW...Whodini is the most sought-after horse in my herd....I could have
sold him several times over since then.) What I saw confirmed this. There
were several horses there that were biting at people...viciously. ONe
"shopper" turned her back on a big draft horse. He was tied in a tie stall,
and she was at his head. He reached over and took a bite out of her back.
I did not see it, but heard the scream. I know she had a BAD bruise.
SEveral more horses tried to bite at me. Even when the horses are "shown"
at these events, they are often in situations where they cannot be properly
shown. Often the "teamsters" resort to theatrics that are not fair to the
horse.
Years earlier I had gone to the Turlock auction. There were imported,
untrained French-bred Percheron mares going for meat prices. They had been
pulled straight from pasture and put in the sale. Most were pregnant, but
they had been pasture-bred, possibly with more than one stallion having
access to the mares...such that the off-spring were going to have
registration problems. A well-known breeder had become ill (probably chronic
heart problems that take their toll slowly, over years) and was doing a
dispersal sale. They were selling for $400. The owner was heart-broken,
and, I believe, no-saled most of them when he saw what was happening. They
were beautiful horses. I almost brought one home to put in my carport in
Marin County! It was so sad.
In a way....the best outcome is to try to see to it that Fjords that are
sent to auction are either marketed properly before the auction, or go
through an auction that allows people some kind of assurance that they are
not "problem horses."
Hmm...I would be interested to know if people are selling horses right after
the Fjord evaluations...when the shoppers have had a good chance to see them
in their best light.
Also...I am curious as to how the SFJ auction is run. Are the horses
screened? Do people have a chance to really pre-view them well?
And finally, be careful about buying harness from these auctions if you do
not know what you are looking at. Get help from someone knowledgeable.
Gail
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 05:49:00 +1100
From: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Jeff Morse Clinic
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I thought it very useful that he
>pointed out that Tank's conformation and his current
>breast collar might be incompatible and he suggested
>trying a collar. He made some temporarly adjustments
>and long range suggestions for the cart to bring the
>driver higher. He also made some bitting suggestions
>to encourage Tank to soften his jaw. Jeff emphasizes
>comfort of the horse and the appropriate roles of
>horse and driver. Jeff has real expertise, kindness
>and a sense of humor.
>
>I have been very frustrated and discouraged with my
>inability to get Tank more forward. He showed us both
>how to to do it effectively and told me to give Tank
>more praise for correctness. I feel much encouraged
>and have several tools now with which to work on both
>Tank and myself. Jeff thought Tank "talented" and this
>has always been my belief but I was beginning to think
>otherwise. It is great to feel good again about both
>of us working together. This is what these kind of
>clinics are all about.
>
>Everyone who participated in the clinic went away
>feeling better about themselves and their horse (and
>vice versa). We had a good crowd of auditors who were
>hanging on every word. Jeff was excellent at telling
>the audiences what he was doing and why. A couple of
>"old timers" were so impressed they came both days and
>told me to make sure and let them know about our next
>clinic.
>
>All in all it was a very successful first effort for
>our club and brought us some new members. Those of you
>who are on CD-L will know Barbara Burr who makes
>ultralite whips. She and her husband Cal are
>considering moving to this area and visited our
>clinic. They are great people and we hope they decided
>on our fair city as their new home. They would be a
>real asset to our fledging driving community.
>
>=====
>Cynthia Madden
>Las Cruces, NM
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
>http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:16:21 +1100
From: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Jeff Morse Clinic
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I thought it very useful that he
>pointed out that Tank's conformation and his current
>breast collar might be incompatible and he suggested
>trying a collar. He made some temporarly adjustments
>and long range suggestions for the cart to bring the
>driver higher.
Cynthia:
My mare "told" me she wasn't comfortable in a breast collar -- it just took
me a while to listen! Good thing she's so sweet natured. Instead of
kicking the cart to pieces, she just wouldn't go forward with any energy,
preferred to walk, and would stop dead at the slightest suggestion of
"whoa". I have since put her in a buggy collar, and she's much happier.
Her conformation is drafty, which put the bulk of her mass above the breast
collar with little below it. This caused her line of draft to be waaaaay
below her center of mass.
If you'd like to see pics of before, I'll be happy to send it on. It was a
great learning experience. Now I look closely at breast collar fit,
especially with Fjords. I see plenty that have a great deal of mass above
the draft, but I guess they learn to cope with it. This mare was coping,
but she wasn't willing to put any "oomph" into her performance.
On the other hand, there was a lovely Fjord in The Laurels at Landhope video
(don't know who it was) who, because of conformation, was beautifully
balanced above and below the breast collar, so it just depends on the build
of your Fjordie.
If you'd like to see a photo, I'd be happy to email it.
Cheers!
Karen
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:15:25 -0800
From: "Linda Schleef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: horses & exotics
This message is from: "Linda Schleef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I agree with Fred - in that it's all what they are used to. We raised
llamas and quarter horses for a number of years. Both the horses and llamas
were so laid back with each other that the llamas used to lay down and eat
at the same feeder where the horses were eating. I think the only real
problem was that the foals had a definite identity crisis in deciding
whether they were llamas or horses! One of the funnier things we had happen
is that a mare decided she would like to stomp around in the four horse
trailer. We put our male llama (Richard Burton) beside her, she stomped
again, he spit on her, and that was the absolute end of her moving around in
a trailer! Richard took over the role of horse training that day.
The first day our yearling fjord Hugin arrived on the farm, my husband led
him out to a pasture beside the llama field. The 20 llamas rushed over to
see the new addition to the family and Hugin barely reacted. They were
allowed to sniff each other, my husband then led Hugin to his area and all
were happy and have been so ever since. I'm sure others have many similar
stories.
Linda
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:20:02 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fun Site
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike that site was a good one. I am sure you have the OK from Steve to
give us a happy moment!!! You are a dedicated Fjord Regerstrar, so keep up
the good work .
Send me sites like that anytime. That is good humor, which we need at this
time of ?? Life. I think the horse is a Fjord, Right? Tillie.
Dun Lookin' Fjords
Bud,Tillie & Amy Evers
Redmond OR (541) 548-6018
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:37:10 -0700
From: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Also...I am curious as to how the SFJ auction is run. Are the horses
> screened? Do people have a chance to really pre-view them well?
> Gail
======================
The Small Farmer's Journal Auction in Sisters, OR, (this year 4/25-27) is in
a quality auction class of it's own! Directed by Lynn Miller, author of the
best books that have been written on draft hitching, it is a first class
operation!
Last year while attending this huge well run auction, I often "visited" the
area where there were fine looking Fjords for sale waiting for auction. They
were all good specimens and well cared for, and there were several family
type interested parties eagerly inspecting for purchase.
Additionally, it is a great social occasion with like-minded folks, as well
as a huge bazaar of every kind of thing horse folks are interested in.
Remember--- some of the firest artwork and collectibles in the world are
sold by means of auction!
Regards harnesses sold there--- a few years ago we bought a new custom made
Fjord set of harness there (used once or twice) and it was in mint condition
and fit like gloves! They have plenty to choose from!
The Sisters area is beautiful and the folks are wonderful! Guess you can
tell we're SFJ fans. =)))
Ruthie
Bushwhacker Fjords
Gene and Ruthie Bushnell
http://www.libby.org/~bushnell
Troy, Montana
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:59:22 -0500
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fun Site
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 02:20 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>Send me sites like that anytime. That is good humor, which we need at this
>time of ?? Life. I think the horse is a Fjord, Right?
If you click on enough items you will find one for sure. It is one of the
singing ones.
=======================================================
Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry
Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar
PO Box 685
Webster, NY 14580-0685
Voice 585-872-4114
FAX 585-787-0497
http://www.nfhr.com
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:01:35 -0800
From: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Does the cheap East Indian-made harness with the red buttons show up there?
I bought some at Martin's at Turlock...that was almost the only kind of
harness there...there was lots there and all sold for $140 to $180. Got it
home and the tug fell off the backstrap. Not fixable. It was an accident
waiting to happen!
GAil
>Regards harnesses sold there--- a few years ago we bought a new custom made
>Fjord set of harness there (used once or twice) and it was in mint condition
>and fit like gloves! They have plenty to choose from!
>
>The Sisters area is beautiful and the folks are wonderful! Guess you can
>tell we're SFJ fans. =)))
>
>Ruthie
>Bushwhacker Fjords
>Gene and Ruthie Bushnell
>http://www.libby.org/~bushnell
>Troy, Montana
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:31:09 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Reminder - MN Horse Expo
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How the heck can you be there all three days? Do you stay in the cities?
Thanks so much for your offer - we will just let you know as time draws near
and during the expo - yes, much better to visit and inform than to shop -
except at "All Things Fjord & More!", ya know:):):) haha!!
Linda
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:44:48 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Horse & Camels and other exotics
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Fred - tell me, what do your lamas do to protect? Spit or holler? I am not
being funny - I have looked into getting a Great Pyrnees but someone
suggested a lama.
Thanks, Linda Lottie
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:16:42 -0700
From: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
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> Does the cheap East Indian-made harness with the red buttons show up
there?
> I bought some at Martin's at Turlock...that was almost the only kind of
> harness there...there was lots there and all sold for $140 to $180. Got
it
> home and the tug fell off the backstrap. Not fixable. It was an accident
> waiting to happen!
>
> GAil
Guess you can't expect much in the way of a harness for that price. I don't
recall seeing any like you describe but maybe when you're looking for
leather that's all you see =))) They do have a great variety of just about
anything you could think of that's horse related. Ruthie, nw mt
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:44:27 -0800
From: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
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There must have been 30 or 40 sets that day. It is the same stuff they sell
on E-bay. It was really all that was available other than draft harness and
one or two other decent harnesses. I was advised to buy it by someone who
should have recognized it was dangerous. I hate to think where the rest of
it is!
Gail
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:16:40 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: horses & exotics
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Great story, Linda:)
Linda in MN ( nice name, too :) )
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:23:27 -0500
From: "Joe Glick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
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>>GAIL RUSSELL wrote:
I would never buy a horse at our local livestock auction without considering
the very real possibility that it is a rogue horse, or ill or lame in some
way.<<
In Pennsylvania there are laws regarding horses going to auctions. If a
horse is sent to the auction that is lame or is too thin, the owner can be
fined. Not just the owner but also the hauler that took it to the auction.
The same laws apply while being ridden or driven in the public. If you get
stopped on the road with a lame horse, you pay a fine and must have him
trucked to your place or to a vet. This law was passed about 2 years ago, I
haven't heard of any cases where it actually happened. But it could easily
have that I'm not aware of.
Joe Glick
Glick Family Farm
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:25:27 -0600
From: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: horses & exotics
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A couple of years ago one of our alpacas (3 years old) would nurse on one of our
Fjord mares. Pretty funny to watch
Mark
Mariposa Farm
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:51:10 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:44:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Does the cheap East Indian-made harness with the red buttons show up there?
> I bought some at Martin's at Turlock...that was almost the only kind of
> harness there...there was lots there and all sold for $140 to $180. Got it
> home and the tug fell off the backstrap.
LOL! I just bought a pony-size bridle for training, wanted something cheap
and got it. Funny, most sellers try to disguise the fact that their stuff
comes from India, but this bridle arrived with a big sticker saying MADE IN
INDIA. Later my roommate came home and said, "What's that smell? Did one of
the cats pee on the carpet?" <g> I explained how leather is tanned in
India...
Brigid Wasson
SF Bay Area, CA
<A HREF="http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our
Fjords</A>
<A
HREF="http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html";>Fjordings
West</A>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:32:07 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 12:24:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Does the cheap East Indian-made harness with the red buttons show up there?
>
I have never seen this type of harness at our sale. Most of the harness we
get is from reputable harness makers such as Big Sky, Midwest, Sampson, and
Miller Harness. I'm not saying that the cheap harness couldn't make it's way
here, but we do try to encourage the quality makers.
Amy
Amy Evers
Dun Lookin' Fjords
Redmond, OR
Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:03:58 -0800
From: "fjordcountry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: broken axis
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Thank you so much Brian for the information from an evaluators stand point on
the broken axis. I went out today after retrieving my son's angle gage from
his shoeing rig and measured nine fjords we currently have here, front and
hind. The average angles were as I had guessed, fronts about 53 and hinds
consistently two degrees more at 55. These were the angles on both a mare
that won her halter class in 02 and placed 3rd in 03 at Libby (not my mare),
and also a gelding of Jim McMillan's that placed 3rd in his halter classes the
last two years at Libby. My mare who won her class this past year is at 52
and 54. The steepest angles I had were on two brothers who came in at 55 and
57. This may seem steep but the pasterns match the shoulder angle and both
these guys are very nice movers and a comfortable ride. It is when the angle
of the hoof does not match the shoulder/pastern that rough rides and lameness
occur. This is when the horse is trimmed to that "ideal" (in whose mind I
don't know!) angle of 45-48 instead of to what that horses own conformation
denotes, as per your info Brian. Thanks for your time and I'd like to hear
from the other farriers and the vets also on what you have seen as the average
angles for fjords. Rock'n Kathi
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:56:40 -0800
From: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
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I had the vet out. Got the "fresh out of vet school" assistant, instead of
the regular vet. She said something about squamous cell carcinoma as a
possibility (which sounded BAD to me...but she did not seem worried). Did
not think it was a lipoma (she thought it was inside the skin, not attached
to the inside surface...which I gather is not a lipoma). Did not think it
was a sarcoid. Agreed with you that we should just watch it. She said she
would consult with the regular vet about it as well. So...I guess we will
just watch.
>Gail,
>
>I have also seen bumps on the sheath like this in response to an
>insect bite. A local spot of inflammation occurs and then a little
>fibrous bump results. This is a fairly large bump to be an insect bite,
but who knows.
THANK YOU for your response!
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:27:37 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: In support of my son
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Dear Loretta: Thanks for sharing your "buzz-cut" story. Just picturing
your Fjord makes me grin! Your son, along with the many other military
personell are in our thoughts and prayers during this unsettled time.
Joni in Wisconsin where we are anxious for SPRING!!
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:43:04 -0800
From: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Horse & Camels and other exotics
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Linda,
If a Llama sees danger, it will first let out a distinctive and loud warning
cry. This alerts the horses do danger and also, 99% of the time scare off
the danger.
Should the danger persist, coyote cougar bobcat, the Llama will attack it.
The front hooves are pointed and very sharp. I can easily hear the warning
cry from the remote pasture, grab a rifle and be ready to go. If the Llama
attacks, another distinctive cry and I'm on the way, well armed.
We bought a Kawasaki diesel mule for hauling things...including me. I can
haul to the lower pasture VERY RAPIDLY.
We also have three Great Pyrenees who guard the rest of the ranch. As
roamers, they are inside a mesh wire perimeter with an electric wire on the
INSIDE of the fence. A Great Pyrenees thinks it has to guard everything
within a 5 mile area.
We have leased two Llamas to a farm that raises pigmy goats and sheep.
Since they got the Llamas, they have lost none of their stock.
Our Llamas get along with the Fjords and Miniature horses.
We have two rescue Pyrenees bitches and one neutered rescue male. The
horses and Llamas love them.
Fred
All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus.
Fred and Lois Pack
Pack's Peak Stables
Wilkeson, Washington 98396
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158
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Fred - tell me, what do your lamas do to protect? Spit or holler? I am not
being funny - I have looked into getting a Great Pyrnees but someone
suggested a lama.
Thanks, Linda Lottie
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 05:29:26 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Horse & Camels and other exotics
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Thanks, Fred - helpful information and interesting as well :)
Linda in MN
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:46:25 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FJORDS AT AUCTION
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Hello Amy,
> I guess I just don't understand why some folks are getting so worked up and
> putting someone down because, for whatever the reason, they have made the
>
I do not believe anyone is "putting someone down", in this instance, Hamlett,
for selling his Fjords through the Waverly auction. We all have been working
very hard to help promote these Fjords as there are a large number going
through and many could be considered high risk. Hopefully, all of the
promotion of the Waverly catalog and flyer, plus our discussion on this list
will ensure all these Fjords will find a good home.
The Waverly auction, while massively marketed, also can be a bit tense as
there are a large number of meat buyers that attend. The Waverly auction has
actual "kill pens" on the premises. Because of the high number of meat
buyers, the large number of Fjords going through this auction, and the
condition of some of these Fjords, some of us have been concerned, and
therefore, decided to help market these Fjords. Personally, I believe we are
helping Hamlett, not putting him down.
We are requesting everyone that attends this auction to wear a bandana so we
can all recognize each other. Also, the majority of the meat buyers are
allowed to actually be in the ring at Waverly, so this will help all of us
figure out what meat prices are and also, be able to observe to make sure
none of them are able to keep a bid on any of these Fjords.
Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjords
Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories
White Cloud, MI
231-689-9902
FAX: 775-383-6813
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http://www.hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords
United Equine Foundation
http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm
Lynda C. Welch
President, PMU and Breed Specific Division
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UEF Fjord rescue email group: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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