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Cheryl, I love the name Yggdrasil!! I tried to convince Ceacy (Henderson) to name one of her foals that, but she wouldn't listen. :( She said she didn't think anyone would be able to pronounce it! haha, maybe she's right, but it's a wonderful Norwegian name! The first time I saw it, in an Agatha Christie mystery, I had no idea about Norwegian mythology...took me a while to figure out the name... Katy Andersen + Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "fjordhorse-digest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #208 > > fjordhorse-digest Sunday, September 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 208 > > > > In this issue: > > Color > Re: Fuzzy coats > Wolf Teeth -- V and R meet the dentist > Congrats, Grass and Feed, Gayle Ware > Color > Re: Color > Fjord stuff > saddles > Shetlands > Re: Shetlands > Re: Fjord stuff > FJORD HORSE CHAT SUNDAY NIGHT > > See the end of the digest for information on how to retrieve back issues. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:42:34 -0700 > From: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Color > > This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi again - > > Lauren, I know beans about paints, but it appears that Karen has answered > your question. To all, I recommend Sponenberg's books on Equine Color > Genetics. There is also one called Horse Color Explained by Jeanette Gower. > > Randi - on the basis of the information given, 25% is your chance of getting > grey. Comments, Lori? > > Karen - BB to BB, Bb, or bb is your only guarantee of grey phenotype. Help > me out here, Lori, I think I've fallen into the deep end of the gene pool > and I can't get out..... > > Jamie - See above - I'll try to clear my head and be more helpful tomorrow. > I'm just back from two weeks at Julie's and not at my best. > > As far as shagginess is concerned, our small sample of [one] stallion is > less shaggy than the brown mares, about the same as the grey girls, so I > have attributed the difference to color, but it could be inheritance, where > they were raised, who knows? At least it's not diet, because we don't > discriminate on the basis of color here.... They all dine at the same > counter. > > Bye - Peg > > Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA > http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:29:35 -0600 > From: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Fuzzy coats > > This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi, > > I have noticed that my stallion Anvil's Borgen keeps a fairly short coat > compared to the geldings and most of the mares. I agree with that > nutrition plays an important role in the coat. Some horse just seem to > get longer coats than others. > > Alison Bakken > > Sundre, Alberta Cool days and nights just above freezing. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:26:47 -0400 > From: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Wolf Teeth -- V and R meet the dentist > > This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well .. realizing I had to get the vet back to fill out yet another emmigration > form for Yggdrasil (!) (it's Emigrate for those leaving and Immigrate for those > arriving, right?), and in anticipation of their start in training this month, > yesterday we did the deed and turned the barn into a dental surgery for Veronica > (2) and Rannild (3) .. and it took forever. My husband retreated to the house > to avoid listening to the groans of by now heavily sedated V, and the grinding > ..too much empathy. We started on her with half the normal dose as I have read > accounts of how fjords are more sensitive to anaesthetics (?) and remember a > Nfld. dog that nearly died when we had to sedate him to remove porcupine quills > (his partner in crime, a black lab, and 1/2 the weight, took 3 times the dose > and was still growling at us) . > > It took well over an hour to loosen V's and get them out .. one was quite long, > the other small .. the vet thought it was easier when they are a older and other > teeth have come in to dislodge them? Rannild's were both small and came out in > about 20 minutes and we were all sweating .. even us humans w/o the drugs in our > systems. Not a pleasant process but I am convinced it is important to do, to > avoid potential problems with bitting/driving, etc. in future. We will give > them 3-4 days to heal up and then they're off to the trainer to be started so I > can drive them both next spring. > > By the way, all my current driving horses are bred to Felix (heads up anyone > interested in a Bragda/Felix baby, or one from Soleia or Tunica (Kalypso/Courage > and Brusvein/Solar grandsires). We have had 100% success with live cover this > year within the Felix Group and are all looking forward to a good crop next > year. > > Back on topic .. my vet believes that wolf teeth are much more common in fjords > .. but said she sees them fairly often in thoroughbreds too -- I guess we need > to define "fairly often" -- that works against your theory, Karen, which had > immediate resonance for me .. but I'm not going to give up .. I'll just start > taking a poll of people I know with other breeds to see what they have to say. > I guess it could be done online through other chat lines to see what comes up .. > or to ask more vets .. but it is an interesting topic for me. > > Gotta go and relieve poor Bragda who is waiting patiently for me to let her > rejoin Yggdrasil for his morning feed .. we're weaning him and this is another > stage where I empathise with the horse, based on personal experience! > > Cheryl > Where the grass is just about nonexistent and even the leaves on the trees are > showing the effects of the drought. > > ps. My husband (who has a need to work work work) has just finished building a > 5 ft high, 2 ft wide stone wall, built of stones we find in large piles around > the property, cairns left by pioneers who tried (unsuccessfully) to farm this > rocky soil .. as a new paddock, which he has done w/o the aid of a front end > loader .. just a crowbar and a trailer and lots of cuts and bruises .. and I > think how odd to be doing this, in the age of nylon electric/solar fencers, etc. > .. a little like the woodstove and the microwave in the kitchen .. two ends of > the spectrum .. anyone else out there building stone walls a la pioneer? > > ps 2 Last week, when one section was only 4 feet high, two neighbours dropped > by on horseback and Rannild, Tunica and V all popped over it easily to visit the > newcomers (!) .. just ticking the top lightly .. I think that was a first jump > for all of them .. so they can do it, can't they?! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:30:04 +0000 > From: "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Congrats, Grass and Feed, Gayle Ware > > This message is from: "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Robin, I have seen horse people help each other out all the time I have > had horses, but your offer to ship Dagrun your saddle for her to use in > the show is undoubtedly the most generous thing I have ever seen in 23 > years. I congratulate you on your spirit of friendship and help of the > highest level. Are Fjord people more helpful than others? It would > certainly seem that way. I was interested to read about many of you > giving grain and rice bran to your Fjords over there. Herr Eitenmüller > told me in the Odenwald the Fjords are on pasture in the spring, summer > and fall, then when they are in the stall in the winter, they are given > only hay and no grain. Grain is used only if the horse is worked hard at > the trot and canter for 2 hours a day or more, but not given when the > horse is used for pleasure riding an hour or so a day. We have lush > pastures here and the farmers bale excellent hay in the summer for winter > use and this is what the Fjords get here. I will have to ask Herr E how > to keep Rikka's coat shiny without grain or corn oil. Gayle Ware, Jean > Gayle suggested I contact you. I want to take Rikka western and have > some questions about the headset and way of going at the jog and lope and > collection. If you have time, please contact me. Grüßen für Alles aus > der Odenwald, Linda > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:39:57 -0700 > From: "Andy Mayberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Color > > This message is from: "Andy Mayberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > You color experts, please give me a quick summary of the number of genes and > alleles (as well as which is dominant over which) that determine color in > fjord horses. If there is a particular website that explains the *genetics* > of color, please let me know. I've found a couple that talk about the > different colors there are, but they really don't discuss the genetics. > > Thanks. > > Andy > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:55:00 -0800 > From: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Color > > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Andy, > > go to the NFHR website and click on the "Texts and Forms" section, ( you > have to first click on the "rules, etc. sections and look at the bottom for > the link). But here is the link to these pages: > http://www.nfhr.com/newsinfo.html#Documents > > Scroll to the bottom of the documents page and you will see the two part > article by Dr.Phil Sponeneberg which gives the best ( I think) info on the > Genetics of color in Fjordhorses. > "Color in Fjord Horses" > by D. Phillip Sponenberg, > DVM, PhD > http://www.nfhr.com/PDF/Color1.pdf > http://www.nfhr.com/PDF/Color2.pdf > > I don't kknow if Dr. Sponenberg has a website, but his book, EQUINE COLOR > GENETICS is, in my opinion, the best reference. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, grey and wet, Geese and cranes flying south. > Thousands of geese in town! > > If there is a particular website that explains the *genetics* > >of color, please let me know. I've found a couple that talk about the > >different colors there are, but they really don't discuss the genetics. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Andy > > ************************************************************ > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:50:06 -0400 > From: "Reena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Fjord stuff > > This message is from: "Reena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Went to the Michigan Renaissance Festival today and at one of the booths > they had coins from around the world which had the pictures (on the coins) > cut out and made into a pendant....pretty cool looking!!! Well they happen > to have a coin from Norway with the Fjord on it!! So of course I bought it! > :-) Not often you see that here in the states! > > after the festival went to the barn and found that Gustav had some real nice > edemas on his stomach. Looks like a bug /wasp got to him......we're > keeping an eye on them. Otherwise he was acting just like normal...... > > Reena > > > - --- > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 9/4/2002 > > > - --- > > File has not been scanned > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 9/4/2002 > > [demime 0.99c.8 removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of NOBANNER.vcf] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:30:16 -0400 > From: "Camptown Harness: David McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: saddles > > This message is from: "Camptown Harness: David McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'll second Karen's comment on Laurie Neely. Laurie has become a good > friend, after meeting her online on the CD-L. You'll get personal > conscientious attention from her, and she knows her saddles. I got my ski > joering equipment from her. I think Bill and Norma Coli will also give > Laurie high reference points. > > Laurie Neely > Tack Up! > 41 E Main St > Millers Falls MA 01349 > > Customer Service is still alive! > 1-888-726-6511 > http://WWW.TACK-UP.COM/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dave > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:48:00 -0700 > From: "Andy Mayberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Shetlands > > This message is from: "Andy Mayberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I've been impressed with the collective knowledge of the list, from wolf > teeth to the genetics of color, etc. I have another question, if someone > could answer it or give me a good reference to read. How closely related are > the following breeds: Fjords, Shetlands, Icelands, Nordlandshest, Dølehest, > Brittain's native ponies, Draft breeds? I've heard that all modern horses > decended from a certain number (4?) of "wild breeds" three of which no > longer exist in the wild and their characteristics can only be guessed at > based on the conformation of horses in that area of the world (ie: Arabs vs > draft breeds). If someone could please elaborate. Also, what is meant by > "warmblood" breeds and "coldblood" breeds. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:43:34 -0800 > From: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Shetlands > > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Andy, > > Dr. Deb Bennett is the best source for this information She is a mammalian > palentologist who has written many articles on the subject, one series > especially for EQUUS magazine, and a book 'CONQUERORS,' mostly about the > origins of the horses in North America but also covers the prehistoric > breeds. She, along with other experts, theorize that the ponies of the > British Islands, as well as the Icelandic, Fjord, Nordlandhest and draft > breeds descended mainly fromn what she calls the "protodraft branch. Dr. > Bennett has an excellent website with several article on the subject ans > well as a wealth of other information. She is also the author of a series > of books on Conformation Analysis, originally published in Equus.Her website: > http://www.equinestudies.org/ > > The section on the evolution of the horse especially: > http://www.equinestudies.org/Friends_of_Equidae.htm > > You can check out her publications (Including the articles in EQUUS): > http://www.equinestudies.org/Publications.htm > > One in particular might answer your questions: > > Bennett, D.K. 1992. Origin and distribution of living breeds of the > domestic horse, in: Horse Breeding and Management, World Animal Science > Encyclopedia, Vol. C-7, J. Warren Evans, ed. Elsevier Publishing Co., New > York, pp. 41-62. > > I Hope this helps get you started. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, partly sunny and 56 Degrees today. Lots of gld > leaves. > > > >I have another question, if someone > >could answer it or give me a good reference to read. How closely related are > >the following breeds: Fjords, Shetlands, Icelands, Nordlandshest, Dølehest, > >Brittain's native ponies, Draft breeds? > ************************************************************ > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:08:57 +1000 > From: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Fjord stuff > > This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Lucky find, Reena! I've seen the Irish horse coin done this way. Would > love to get a Fjord coin. > > Cheers! > > Karen > > > and at one of the booths > >they had coins from around the world which had the pictures (on the coins) > >cut out and made into a pendant....pretty cool looking!!! Well they happen > >to have a coin from Norway with the Fjord on it!! So of course I bought it! > >:-) Not often you see that here in the states! > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:22:31 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: FJORD HORSE CHAT SUNDAY NIGHT > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <A HREF="http://www.petsandvets.com/";>PETSANDVETS.COM</A> > > FJORD HORSE CHAT > "Fjord Room" > SUNDAY NIGHT > 9:00 pm to 10:00pm (Eastern Time) > > <A HREF="http://chat.petsandvets.com/";>CHAT ROOMS</A> > http://chat.petsandvets.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of fjordhorse-digest V2002 #208 > *********************************** > > > Back issues are available by sending the following message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > get fjordhorse-digest vNN.nMMM > > where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number.
